[Debconf6-data-commit] r449 - in website/media/dc6/images: .
shirt_ideas shirt_ideas/codex_samples
Gunnar Wolf
gwolf at costa.debian.org
Sat Mar 25 20:18:45 UTC 2006
Author: gwolf
Date: 2006-03-25 20:06:45 +0000 (Sat, 25 Mar 2006)
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+From gwolf at gwolf.org Fri Mar 10 07:16:02 2006
+Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:16:02 -0600
+From: Gunnar Wolf <gwolf at gwolf.org>
+To: Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska <info at creative-geeks.org>,
+ Ofelia Iszaevich <ofeliai at gmail.com>
+Cc: Gabriela Manjarrez <nadezhda at usa.net>,
+ Andreas Schuldei <andreas at schuldei.org>
+Subject: T-shirts for Debconf
+Message-ID: <20060310131602.GA2941 at gwolf.org>
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+Hi all,
+
+We are getting closer to Debconf. One month from now I expect this to
+be a living hell, so we'd better hurry while we can. I want to start
+printing the T-shirts as soon as possible.
+
+Of course, in order to do it, we need a design. Agnieszka, as you are
+our graphics designer, I hope you can cope with our ideas.
+
+We (Nadezhda and I) want the T-shirts not to be just something
+reminding people of Debconf, but something that has some Mexican
+culture in it. We have had some ideas.
+
+On one hand, we could include the shape of the Iztaccíhuatl and
+Popocatépetl volcanos, which overlook several central Mexican valleys,
+and are part of our cultural identity. Here is a photo taken from
+Oaxtepec and a sample logo:
+
+http://www.gwolf.org/index.php?photos/album/13/photo/574
+http://iztapopo.conanp.gob.mx/
+
+Now, on the other hand, we would like something tied to our
+prehispanic cultures. As I told you before, I think their glyphs can
+be very different and attractive to foreigners - That's the main
+reason I am including my mother, Ofelia Iszaevich, as a recipient of
+this mail. She is a painter, and has studied quite thoroughly the
+prehispanic codexes - I asked her to scan or invent some ideas, and to
+explain some of the basic glyph concepts we could use.
+
+I found a couple of images that might be useful to explain what our
+codexes are like:
+
+http://www.artehistoria.com/historia/obras/10351.htm
+The New Fire ceremony, Borbon codex
+
+http://www.uaq.mx/ingenieria/publicaciones/calendarios/calazt.html
+Aztec-Gregorian calendar converter. Debconf starts at the Chicome
+Tochtli year, Hueytozozli month, Ce Cuetspallin day, and lasts until
+the Chiconahui Malinalli day in the same month.
+
+http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/9449/s17fgon1.htm
+Mesoamerican calendars
+
+...And many others. I have to leave now, but you might remember my
+suggestion of using the "word" or "talking" sign, which can bear
+resemlance to the Debian logo:
+
+http://www.geocities.com/ululalula/palabra.jpg
+
+...I am sure my mother will be able to provide better examples, but I
+didn't want to leave home without sending this mail.
+
+Greetings,
+
+--
+Gunnar Wolf - gwolf at gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244
+PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23
+Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF
+
+From gwolf at gwolf.org Mon Mar 13 09:51:46 2006
+Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 09:51:46 -0600
+From: Gunnar Wolf <gwolf at gwolf.org>
+To: Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska <info at creative-geeks.org>
+Subject: Re: T-shirts for Debconf
+Message-ID: <20060313155146.GA14647 at gwolf.org>
+References: <20060310131602.GA2941 at gwolf.org> <20060310162455.GB4643 at gwolf.org> <20060310164403.GC4643 at gwolf.org> <D5FB6087-923D-4554-982D-FB3F98860174 at creative-geeks.org>
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+Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska dijo [Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 03:52:14PM +0100]:
+> Hi Gunnar,
+>
+> I would like to talk over the things about T-shirts on IRC if
+> possible. When can I reach you?
+
+Hi!
+
+I try to be online during the day (GMT-6, of course). This week I will
+be quite busy... But if you don't find me, try reaching Nadezhda, she
+is also there often.
+
+I am usually logged in but not online in any channels - Just
+/msg gwolf and I'll join #debconf-team or whatever channel.
+
+Greetings,
+
+--
+Gunnar Wolf - gwolf at gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244
+PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23
+Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF
+
+From gwolf at gwolf.org Sat Mar 25 08:44:49 2006
+Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:44:49 -0600
+From: Gunnar Wolf <gwolf at gwolf.org>
+To: Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska <info at creative-geeks.org>
+Cc: Antonio Ognio <gnrfan at gnrfan.org>,
+ Andreas Schuldei <andreas at schuldei.org>
+Subject: Re: Did you receive the texts?
+Message-ID: <20060325144449.GA22735 at gwolf.org>
+References: <1143147835.26600.8.camel at orion.example.com> <BD6A4A44-5043-4B9E-828B-3B1274D6CC53 at creative-geeks.org> <1143221512.11269.11.camel at orion.example.com> <612DC633-C58E-440B-AF28-58B7047770B0 at creative-geeks.org>
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+Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska dijo [Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 02:04:58PM +0100]:
+> >He thinks if they were a wider and less tall in relation to the
+> >width people would get them correctly as mexican hats.
+>
+> Ok, I can change that. I will also do some research about Mexico so I
+> can get a few more ideas. I will upload all results when I finnished
+> them all at once. However, thanx very much for your feedback Antonio. :)
+> Is it possible to talk to one of you on Skype? Things can be
+> explained better when I can make corrections on the fly and not
+> switch to type on IRC.
+
+Hi,
+
+Ok, so here I go again ;-) I am still not completely happy, because of
+one thing: The "hot and spicy" theme is fine with me... But I want our
+T-shirts (and proceedings, lets not forget about them!) to reflect the
+place you will visit, its culture, its identity, its past... Not just
+the most popular cliche of it. I hope you understand why I am so
+stubborn about this.
+
+I know I should have sent a proposal of my own, or Nadezhda could have
+done it as well... We are both as busy as we can be. We asked at a
+local-local-localteam meeting yesterday to send ideas drawn by
+somebody with better graphic education than myself reflecting what we
+want. We agreed to have something ready one week from now.
+
+I will be uploading the images my mother sent me (and I sent you) to
+the Debconf website (of course, not linked to the site itself, just to
+send the reference to some people). I hope something we all agree on
+comes out of this.
+
+Greetings,
+
+--
+Gunnar Wolf - gwolf at gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244
+PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23
+Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF
+
+From andreas at schuldei.org Sat Mar 25 10:30:57 2006
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+To: Gunnar Wolf <gwolf at gwolf.org>
+Cc: Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska <info at creative-geeks.org>,
+ Antonio Ognio <gnrfan at gnrfan.org>,
+ Andreas Schuldei <andreas at schuldei.org>
+Subject: Re: Did you receive the texts?
+Message-ID: <20060325183833.GB30185 at markus.schuldei.com>
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+On Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 08:44:49AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
+> Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska dijo [Sat, Mar 25, 2006 at 02:04:58PM +0100]:
+> > >He thinks if they were a wider and less tall in relation to the
+> > >width people would get them correctly as mexican hats.
+> >
+> > Ok, I can change that. I will also do some research about Mexico so I
+> > can get a few more ideas. I will upload all results when I finnished
+> > them all at once. However, thanx very much for your feedback Antonio. :)
+> > Is it possible to talk to one of you on Skype? Things can be
+> > explained better when I can make corrections on the fly and not
+> > switch to type on IRC.
+>
+> Hi,
+>
+> Ok, so here I go again ;-) I am still not completely happy, because of
+> one thing: The "hot and spicy" theme is fine with me... But I want our
+> T-shirts (and proceedings, lets not forget about them!) to reflect the
+> place you will visit, its culture, its identity, its past... Not just
+> the most popular cliche of it. I hope you understand why I am so
+> stubborn about this.
+>
+> I know I should have sent a proposal of my own, or Nadezhda could have
+> done it as well... We are both as busy as we can be. We asked at a
+> local-local-localteam meeting yesterday to send ideas drawn by
+> somebody with better graphic education than myself reflecting what we
+> want. We agreed to have something ready one week from now.
+>
+> I will be uploading the images my mother sent me (and I sent you) to
+> the Debconf website (of course, not linked to the site itself, just to
+> send the reference to some people). I hope something we all agree on
+> comes out of this.
+
+I am standing in the middel here: on the one hand i think a
+"defaced" aztec pice of art would make a great
+tshirt/proceeding/whatnot decoration. One could even take a whole
+lot of different art pices (sculptures, pictures, or symbols like
+the sun stone) and have the defacement as a the theme. I am a
+real fan of that and also of aztec or maya art, so I would be
+almost disappointed if it did not happen, at least partly.
+
+but then i cant really see the suitability or the great ideas or
+perhaps even funniness (?) behind the pictures that gunnar
+provided. they might carry a great depth of meaning and historic
+importance, but are rather unknown outside mexico, i guess. I
+never saw them (conciously, at least) before and without the
+text/background info i would not understand them. defacing them
+is not really an option (as far as i can tell) since they are not
+beautyfull, are drawn with thin lines (unsuitable for tshits) and
+have an awkward format (no wonder, coming out of a role).
+
+The wealth of details in e.g. the sun stone is not a real hinder,
+in my opinion. It is rather a challange and means additional work
+to simplify or interprete the stuctures and patterns. But then i
+was never able to do great things without (hard) work. Looking
+back it was usually laziness that cept me from transforming a good
+idea into a good result.
+
+The tshirt suggestions so far lack the spirit and funnyness of
+the tortillia role with ethernet and usb cables and are to me not
+really interesting or exciting.
+
+
+
+From gwolf at gwolf.org Fri Mar 10 10:44:03 2006
+Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:44:03 -0600
+From: Gunnar Wolf <gwolf at gwolf.org>
+To: Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska <info at creative-geeks.org>
+Cc: Gabriela Manjarrez <nadezhda at usa.net>,
+ Andreas Schuldei <andreas at schuldei.org>
+Subject: Re: T-shirts for Debconf
+Message-ID: <20060310164403.GC4643 at gwolf.org>
+References: <20060310131602.GA2941 at gwolf.org> <20060310162455.GB4643 at gwolf.org>
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+But of course, if I don't attach the images, you will probably not
+enjoy them :)
+
+[ NOTE: This message was modified since it was sent. I deleted the
+ refered file, but as this mbox belongs in the shirt_ideas directory
+ our SVN tree, I think they will be much more easily accessible
+ in the codex_samples directory. ]
+
+--
+Gunnar Wolf - gwolf at gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244
+PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23
+Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF
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+From gwolf at gwolf.org Fri Mar 10 10:24:55 2006
+Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:24:55 -0600
+From: Gunnar Wolf <gwolf at gwolf.org>
+To: Agnieszka pixelgirl Czajkowska <info at creative-geeks.org>
+Cc: Gabriela Manjarrez <nadezhda at usa.net>,
+ Andreas Schuldei <andreas at schuldei.org>
+Subject: Re: T-shirts for Debconf
+Message-ID: <20060310162455.GB4643 at gwolf.org>
+References: <20060310131602.GA2941 at gwolf.org>
+Mime-Version: 1.0
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+
+Ok, here are some samples my mother sent me that can be used for our
+ideas. You will note some writings over the codexes - The spaniards
+wrote over them so they could explain them to others:
+
+- calmecac.jpg: Calmecac and Cuicacalli were the two kinds of schools
+ in the Aztec empire, Calmecac for noble kids and Cuicacalli for
+ learning to work (IIRC)
+- patolli.jpg: The game of the ball. The red swirly signs coming from
+ two of the players are their words.
+- great_tenochtitlan.jpg: Description of the foundation of the Great
+ Tenochtitlan, which became Mexico City. The Aztecs migrated from
+ Aztlan (see 'peregrination_scroll' below) until they found the sign
+ from the gods: An eagle standing over a cactus eating a snake. That
+ is today's Mexico coat of arms.
+- knowledge_translation.jpg: How was knowledge translated/transmitted
+ to the conquerors. Read right to left, of course - An old Aztec
+ explained his knowledge to Aztec scribans, which wrote it and
+ translated it for the Catholic priest.
+- peregrination_scroll.jpg: A detail from the scroll where the
+ peregrination from Aztlan to Mexico-Tenochtitlan was told. Here we
+ see they left the eight houses (on top, each of the emblems
+ symbolizes what that house was), prepared and ate food (bottom left)
+ and cried (bottom right).
+- peregrination_scroll_large.jpg: A larger page from the peregrination
+ scroll. It shows they arrived to a place they thought it was the
+ chosen one: A broken tree that didn't fall down. That leads to what
+ I just described above ;-)
+- oaxtepec.jpg: The glyph for Oaxtepec
+
+I also found another site with some nice illustrations, some from
+codexes that look perfectly prehispanic and some I would not bet on
+their origin - But has a lot of explanation:
+
+http://nyupress.org/sisterstories/index.html
+
+I got there looking for details on cuicacalli, which led me here:
+http://nyupress.org/sisterstories/cuicacalli/cuicacalli.html
+
+And probably the best known prehispanic figure: The Aztec calendar:
+http://www.earthmatrix.com/serie02/cuad02-1.htm
+
+Greetings,
+
+--
+Gunnar Wolf - gwolf at gwolf.org - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244
+PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23
+Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF
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