[dcontrol] Survey

[David Moreno Garza]

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Hello kids,

Parazoid and me have been discussing a little bit lately on an idea I
had. I could be probably good, as feedback, to make a survey for Debian
desktop users. This would be intended to know a little bit in a more
general way, what is needed by them, how it could be easier for them,
etc.

I don't want to send the survey to any "devel" mailing list on Debian. I
think it could be better to translate it, and send the announce to
debian-user-{language}@lists.debian.org, I'm already working on the
script.

I'm attaching the conversation we had a couple of days ago.

Is there any thoughts on these?

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Oct 04 14:10:53 <damog> I mean, I just realized what we really should do
Oct 04 14:10:58 <damog> it is not a basic thing
Oct 04 14:11:12 <damog> I think we all don't want it to be a basic simple thing
Oct 04 14:12:13 <parazoid>      what ideas did you have?
Oct 04 14:12:43 <damog> Well, the same, but I have been reading your ideas and contribution work carefully
Oct 04 14:13:02 <damog> and I've thinking what we really want
Oct 04 14:13:47 <damog> I was hoping to release some kind of survey
Oct 04 14:13:51 <damog> in the next days
Oct 04 14:13:57 <damog> some input that we could use
Oct 04 14:14:07 <parazoid>      hmm
Oct 04 14:14:55 <parazoid>      what things did you have in mind to ask?
Oct 04 14:15:29 <damog> things like "What do you think is the most difficult task to solve/configure on a system?"
Oct 04 14:15:34 <damog> "How did you solve it?"
Oct 04 14:15:52 <damog> "What do you expecto to be solved by a configuration tool?"
Oct 04 14:15:57 <parazoid>      imho most people that use debian just edit config files
Oct 04 14:16:18 <parazoid>      just predicting results :)
Oct 04 14:16:29 <damog> Don't think so, why would we need dcontrol?
Oct 04 14:16:47 <damog> I don't want to think in dcontrol only for debian users
Oct 04 14:16:54 <parazoid>      because most people edit configs doesn't mean they want to
Oct 04 14:16:57 <damog> It could ring the bell for other distribution users
Oct 04 14:17:11 <damog> well true, that could be another thing
Oct 04 14:17:26 <damog> "do you like configuration files to be edited?"
Oct 04 14:19:38 <parazoid>      hm, 1st and 2nd questions are the most relevant, the rest will just show some predictible results
Oct 04 14:20:13 <damog> "what do you use your debian system for?"
Oct 04 14:20:40 <parazoid>      what's your current idea about what should be done?
Oct 04 14:20:56 <parazoid>      cause i'm just having something like, dump kde tools, promote gnome tools, put them in central place
Oct 04 14:21:27 <parazoid>      and find something for missing things or make them ourselves
Oct 04 14:22:15 <damog> I think we should integrate everything on an scalable API
Oct 04 14:22:40 <damog> in that way, we would be able to grow the app
Oct 04 14:22:44 <damog> or port it
Oct 04 14:22:53 <parazoid>      something like the kde or gnome center or whatever they call it
Oct 04 14:23:06 <damog> yeah, ready for plugin efforts
Oct 04 14:23:27 <damog> I want to implement "jabber config" on dcontrol, so it should be able to append the module
Oct 04 14:23:34 <damog> or xyz config
Oct 04 14:24:24 <parazoid>      what i've been thinking about is
Oct 04 14:24:43 <parazoid>      is it necessary to implement them all into a central "window" (like controlcenters kde/gnome)
Oct 04 14:25:00 <parazoid>      or just link them with a nice icon in a central place, (not requiring them to run in the same app)
Oct 04 14:25:18 <parazoid>      in the end i
Oct 04 14:25:21 <parazoid>      grmbl :p
Oct 04 14:26:03 <parazoid>      the 2nd one is a lot easier to build, only leaving differences between design styles, gtk/qt
Oct 04 14:26:15 <parazoid>      standard things that always happen when combining gui toolkits
Oct 04 14:26:57 <damog> I understand, first would be my idea, not iconifying everything, but using their backends
Oct 04 14:27:07 <damog> or probably, we could ask it on the journey :p
Oct 04 14:27:24 <damog> what is their idea of gnome system tools or kde control center to be "used" entirely on dcontrol
Oct 04 14:27:46 <parazoid>      problem is that kde tools don't even have backends
Oct 04 14:29:53 <damog> so how do they handle files?
Oct 04 14:29:59 <parazoid>      unless their is some way to integrate apps regardless of their toolkits...
Oct 04 14:30:33 <parazoid>      damog: not sure, but they just access files using kde functions
Oct 04 14:30:43 <damog> uggh..
Oct 04 14:31:10 <parazoid>      they don't use a backend like the gnome tools uses the xml backends
Oct 04 14:31:20 <parazoid>      which is a relativly nice implementation
Oct 04 14:31:38 <damog> yeah, anyway, do you think user input would be a good idea?
Oct 04 14:31:51 <parazoid>      probably
Oct 04 14:32:09 <parazoid>      but don't ask questions from which you allready know the answer
Oct 04 14:32:19 <parazoid>      and keep it short, max 5 questions or something
Oct 04 14:32:24 <damog> ok

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