[dcontrol] Survey
Fabricio Cannini
segfaulter@yahoo.com.br
Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:46:26 -0300 (ART)
Neee Creatures!!!
> I think it could be better to translate it,
> and send the announce to
> debian-user-{language}@lists.debian.org
Surely sounds good.
Given the fact that me, fatalerror and kov are from
Brazil (and from different regions of Brazil),
damog is from Mexico, philip and parazoid are from
Belgium or Germany (not sure now),
we can setup somekind of worldmap for it,
to learn what people most commonly need to do,
so we can have an idea of where we should start from.
Damog, if you finish your script before next sunday
(2004.10.17),
mail me it. There will be an install fest at my
university and i'll try to get some data of the people
there.
Best to you all.
--- David Moreno Garza <damog@damog.net> escreveu:
> Hello kids,
>
> Parazoid and me have been discussing a little bit
> lately on an idea I
> had. I could be probably good, as feedback, to make
> a survey for Debian
> desktop users. This would be intended to know a
> little bit in a more
> general way, what is needed by them, how it could be
> easier for them,
> etc.
>
> I don't want to send the survey to any "devel"
> mailing list on Debian. I
> think it could be better to translate it, and send
> the announce to
> debian-user-{language}@lists.debian.org, I'm already
> working on the
> script.
>
> I'm attaching the conversation we had a couple of
> days ago.
>
> Is there any thoughts on these?
>
> --
> David Moreno Garza <damog@damog.net> |
> http://www.damog.net/
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> > Oct 04 14:10:53 <damog> I mean, I just realized
what
> we really should do
> Oct 04 14:10:58 <damog> it is not a basic thing
> Oct 04 14:11:12 <damog> I think we all don't want it
> to be a basic simple thing
> Oct 04 14:12:13 <parazoid> what ideas did you
> have?
> Oct 04 14:12:43 <damog> Well, the same, but I have
> been reading your ideas and contribution work
> carefully
> Oct 04 14:13:02 <damog> and I've thinking what we
> really want
> Oct 04 14:13:47 <damog> I was hoping to release some
> kind of survey
> Oct 04 14:13:51 <damog> in the next days
> Oct 04 14:13:57 <damog> some input that we could use
> Oct 04 14:14:07 <parazoid> hmm
> Oct 04 14:14:55 <parazoid> what things did you
> have in mind to ask?
> Oct 04 14:15:29 <damog> things like "What do you
> think is the most difficult task to solve/configure
> on a system?"
> Oct 04 14:15:34 <damog> "How did you solve it?"
> Oct 04 14:15:52 <damog> "What do you expecto to be
> solved by a configuration tool?"
> Oct 04 14:15:57 <parazoid> imho most people
> that use debian just edit config files
> Oct 04 14:16:18 <parazoid> just predicting
> results :)
> Oct 04 14:16:29 <damog> Don't think so, why would we
> need dcontrol?
> Oct 04 14:16:47 <damog> I don't want to think in
> dcontrol only for debian users
> Oct 04 14:16:54 <parazoid> because most people
> edit configs doesn't mean they want to
> Oct 04 14:16:57 <damog> It could ring the bell for
> other distribution users
> Oct 04 14:17:11 <damog> well true, that could be
> another thing
> Oct 04 14:17:26 <damog> "do you like configuration
> files to be edited?"
> Oct 04 14:19:38 <parazoid> hm, 1st and 2nd
> questions are the most relevant, the rest will just
> show some predictible results
> Oct 04 14:20:13 <damog> "what do you use your debian
> system for?"
> Oct 04 14:20:40 <parazoid> what's your current
> idea about what should be done?
> Oct 04 14:20:56 <parazoid> cause i'm just
> having something like, dump kde tools, promote gnome
> tools, put them in central place
> Oct 04 14:21:27 <parazoid> and find something
> for missing things or make them ourselves
> Oct 04 14:22:15 <damog> I think we should integrate
> everything on an scalable API
> Oct 04 14:22:40 <damog> in that way, we would be
> able to grow the app
> Oct 04 14:22:44 <damog> or port it
> Oct 04 14:22:53 <parazoid> something like the
> kde or gnome center or whatever they call it
> Oct 04 14:23:06 <damog> yeah, ready for plugin
> efforts
> Oct 04 14:23:27 <damog> I want to implement "jabber
> config" on dcontrol, so it should be able to append
> the module
> Oct 04 14:23:34 <damog> or xyz config
> Oct 04 14:24:24 <parazoid> what i've been
> thinking about is
> Oct 04 14:24:43 <parazoid> is it necessary to
> implement them all into a central "window" (like
> controlcenters kde/gnome)
> Oct 04 14:25:00 <parazoid> or just link them
> with a nice icon in a central place, (not requiring
> them to run in the same app)
> Oct 04 14:25:18 <parazoid> in the end i
> Oct 04 14:25:21 <parazoid> grmbl :p
> Oct 04 14:26:03 <parazoid> the 2nd one is a lot
> easier to build, only leaving differences between
> design styles, gtk/qt
> Oct 04 14:26:15 <parazoid> standard things that
> always happen when combining gui toolkits
> Oct 04 14:26:57 <damog> I understand, first would be
> my idea, not iconifying everything, but using their
> backends
> Oct 04 14:27:07 <damog> or probably, we could ask it
> on the journey :p
> Oct 04 14:27:24 <damog> what is their idea of gnome
> system tools or kde control center to be "used"
> entirely on dcontrol
> Oct 04 14:27:46 <parazoid> problem is that kde
> tools don't even have backends
> Oct 04 14:29:53 <damog> so how do they handle files?
> Oct 04 14:29:59 <parazoid> unless their is some
> way to integrate apps regardless of their
> toolkits...
> Oct 04 14:30:33 <parazoid> damog: not sure, but
> they just access files using kde functions
> Oct 04 14:30:43 <damog> uggh..
> Oct 04 14:31:10 <parazoid> they don't use a
> backend like the gnome tools uses the xml backends
> Oct 04 14:31:20 <parazoid> which is a relativly
> nice implementation
> Oct 04 14:31:38 <damog> yeah, anyway, do you think
> user input would be a good idea?
> Oct 04 14:31:51 <parazoid> probably
> Oct 04 14:32:09 <parazoid> but don't ask
> questions from which you allready know the answer
> Oct 04 14:32:19 <parazoid> and keep it short,
> max 5 questions or something
> Oct 04 14:32:24 <damog> ok
>
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