[Debian-olpc-devel] squeak/etoys (Re: Fwd: sugar)

José L. Redrejo Rodríguez jredrejo at edu.juntaextremadura.net
Wed Apr 2 14:17:16 UTC 2008

El mié, 02-04-2008 a las 14:12 +0200, Bert Freudenberg escribió:
> On 02.04.2008, at 13:24, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > Hi José,
> >
> > On Wednesday 02 April 2008 09:58, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
> >> About the etoys packaging:
> >> - My intention is packaging e-toys as a squeak-image, and doing the  
> >> same
> >> with other squeak images that are around. So, etoys should provide
> >> squeak-image, squeak-image-3.10 should provide squeak-image ,
> >> squeakland-image should provide squeak-image, educarex-image should
> >> provide squeak-image, and so on.
> >> - No one of these images can go to Debian yet, as the relicencing
> >> process of the image has not finished,
> >> and thus, they are not DFSG
> >> compatible yet. I'm afraid that won't happen before 8 or 9 months.
> >
> >
> > I thought the etoys/squeak image OLPC uses was free by now? (And  
> > even free as
> > in DFSG..)
> >
> > CC:ing Bert Freudenberg to get feedback from squeak upstream :-)
> Note that I am an external contractor for VPRI so I cannot speak on  
> their behalf (that would be the job of Kim Rose, VPRI's executive  
> director). But here is my take:	
> The OLPC etoys version is developed by the Viewpoints Research  
> Institute (see vpri.org), a non-profit organization headed by Alan  
> Kay. He was the boss of the original Squeak group at Apple, took  
> Squeak to Disney, later to HP, and then to VPRI. VPRI negotiated with  
> Apple to relicense the core under Apache 2.0, and they collected  
> agreements to use external contributions under MIT (though the vast  
> majority of code was authored by Alan's employees). They now release  
> the OLPC etoys.image under Apache2.0/MIT which is perfectly compatible  
> with DFSG, so in my understanding it can go into Debian now.

Bert, I'd be more than happy if that's true, but according to the
squeak.org information, there are a lot of code in the vm that still has
not been relicensed from the Apple license to MIT. Authors of this code
have not answered to the relicense requirement, so the plan is
rewritting their code. There is a project
(http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6016 ) to do it, but there still some
hundred of methods to be rewritten.

Can you confirm me that the code that has not been relicensed has been
removed from the olpc image?

In that case I have already the package ready, just filling the ITP and
uploading it to Debian would take a couple of days.

Best regards.
José L.
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