[Debian-olpc-devel] squeak/etoys (Re: Fwd: sugar)

[José L. Redrejo Rodríguez]

El vie, 04-04-2008 a las 14:14 +0200, Bert Freudenberg escribió:
> On 02.04.2008, at 16:17, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
> >
> > El mié, 02-04-2008 a las 14:12 +0200, Bert Freudenberg escribió:
> >> On 02.04.2008, at 13:24, Holger Levsen wrote:
> >>> Hi José,
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday 02 April 2008 09:58, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote:
> >>>> About the etoys packaging:
> >>>> - My intention is packaging e-toys as a squeak-image, and doing the
> >>>> same
> >>>> with other squeak images that are around. So, etoys should provide
> >>>> squeak-image, squeak-image-3.10 should provide squeak-image ,
> >>>> squeakland-image should provide squeak-image, educarex-image should
> >>>> provide squeak-image, and so on.
> >>>> - No one of these images can go to Debian yet, as the relicencing
> >>>> process of the image has not finished,
> >>>> and thus, they are not DFSG
> >>>> compatible yet. I'm afraid that won't happen before 8 or 9 months.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I thought the etoys/squeak image OLPC uses was free by now? (And
> >>> even free as
> >>> in DFSG..)
> >>>
> >>> CC:ing Bert Freudenberg to get feedback from squeak upstream :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Note that I am an external contractor for VPRI so I cannot speak on
> >> their behalf (that would be the job of Kim Rose, VPRI's executive
> >> director). But here is my take:	
> >>
> >> The OLPC etoys version is developed by the Viewpoints Research
> >> Institute (see vpri.org), a non-profit organization headed by Alan
> >> Kay. He was the boss of the original Squeak group at Apple, took
> >> Squeak to Disney, later to HP, and then to VPRI. VPRI negotiated with
> >> Apple to relicense the core under Apache 2.0, and they collected
> >> agreements to use external contributions under MIT (though the vast
> >> majority of code was authored by Alan's employees). They now release
> >> the OLPC etoys.image under Apache2.0/MIT which is perfectly  
> >> compatible
> >> with DFSG, so in my understanding it can go into Debian now.
> >
> > Bert, I'd be more than happy if that's true, but according to the
> > squeak.org information, there are a lot of code in the vm that still  
> > has
> > not been relicensed from the Apple license to MIT. Authors of this  
> > code
> > have not answered to the relicense requirement, so the plan is
> > rewritting their code. There is a project
> > (http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6016 ) to do it, but there still some
> > hundred of methods to be rewritten.
> >
> > Can you confirm me that the code that has not been relicensed has been
> > removed from the olpc image?
> 
> No. But VPRI as the original authors take responsibility for the  
> earlier contributions made under the Squeak License. VPRI made every  
> justifiable effort to contact the contributors. Not a single  
> contributor was against relicensing, so it is safe to assume that even  
> those that could not be reached would be happy to see their code  
> continue to be used. They submitted it for official inclusion in  
> Squeak, after all. So who would argue that, if not the contributors  
> themselves?
> 
> > In that case I have already the package ready, just filling the ITP  
> > and
> > uploading it to Debian would take a couple of days.
> 
> I forwarded your message to Kim. She assured me that the OLPC etoys  
> version is free:
> 
> "I agree -- VPRI is releasing the code in the etoys.image used on the  
> XO (and on other platforms as can be used) under the MIT license now.   
> This is a non-issue for the XO now. What 'Squeak.org' is doing with  
> their release/download is on a separate track,  but I do know they are  
> hard at work to also finish the re-license effort."
> 
> I also asked Kim to answer you directly to confirm this.

Your mail is fine for me, but an email from the VRPI Executive director
is a good weapon in case somebody complains.
I'll begin to work in the process to put it in Debian this weekend.

Thanks for your efforts.
Best regards.

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