[Debian-olpc-devel] Should the sugar package provide the x-session-manager alternative?

Jonas Smedegaard dr at jones.dk
Wed Apr 1 08:49:15 UTC 2009

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Hi Petter,

On Wed, Apr 01, 2009 at 08:24:08AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>One thing that occur to me when testing the Sugar environment in
>Lenny, is that it need a better integration into the login and startup

Thanks for bringing this up.

>One way to do it, would be to let the sugar package provide
>the x-session-manager alternative.  I've tested this by adding a
>symlink from /usr/bin/x-session-manager to sugar, and with this change
>I can log in using kdm and get suger started automatically.  I can
>also run startx and get sugar started automatically.
>Is there any reason not to let the sugar package provide an
>x-session-manager alternative?
>An alternative would be to provide the x-window-manager alternative
>instead.  I guess it is a matter of taste which one of these fit sugar

Sugar is usable as both.  And should somehow provide both, I believe.

The reason I have not done it already is (not taking the time to look 
properly at it, and) that I want the most flexibility in the packages.

Sugar can run inside Xephyr, but in some environments (e.g. on an XO) 
that is unwanted.  Similarly running as a local desktop might 
inconvenience others (e.g. a diskless server that should not also run an 
X11 client).

Currently Xephyr is recommended and I believe the 
/usr/share/xsession/sugar.desktop file is the freedesktop.org-compliant 
way of registering as a desktop manager.

I imagine src:sugar providing two additional binary packages, sugar-x11 
and sugar-virtual (and perhaps a third, sugar-remote, for tight 
integration with LTSP?).  The -x11 package could then include the XDG 
desktop-manager file, and register in other ways as both Window Manager 
and Desktop manager, while the -virtual package could perhaps be 
enhanced to provide an XO template for Xoo.  The core sugar package 
would then recommend not xephyr directly but these "implementation 
packages" - favoring the -x11 one over -virtual.

How does that sound?

Do you see a problem in (the -x1 package) registering as *both* Window 
Manager and (in Debian non-XDG way) as Desktop Manager?

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