[Debian-olpc-devel] Missing deps for sucrose-0.86.

Sun Dec 6 21:19:53 UTC 2009

2009/11/29 Jonas Smedegaard <dr at jones.dk>:
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 12:09:09PM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 11:34:06PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>
>>> Please note that comparing the list of missing dependencies provided by  Michael Stone with the "components" listed in the "Sugar Platform" page,  only EToys is missing.
>>
>> That's good news. Which package does gst-plugins-espeak hide in? It's still on my to-do list for sugar-jhbuild.
>
> It is not (yet) packaged for Debian, I believe.  Oh, sorry if I missed out on that one...
>
> And you might have misunderstood: I did not mean to say that all is well except EToys.  Just that the Sugar Platform" page seems to be not enough to avoid surprises/frustrations.
>
> Example: When that page states that GStreamer can be expected, does that then mean core GStreamer infrastructure, core CStreamer + Python bindings, common GStreamer (whatever that really is) + Python bindings, or any and all weird GStreamer extensions (that is packaged for Fedora).
>
>
>> I should have made clear that I intended the meta package to be for non-Fructose, non-packaged activities ("Honey"). The fact that it also provides all dependencies needed by Fructose is only a nice bonus (but was the reason I mentioned it).
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> Ah, now I get it :-)
>
> Yes, it makes good sense to provide such metapackage.  What would be an appropriate name?
>
> I suspect it should be versioned like sucrose-0.8x packages, and I suspect that the "Sugar Platform" will develop.
>
> I feel that honey-0.8x is a bad name, as it really does not pull in Honey, only the _platform_ for Honey.
>
> How about honey-deps-0.8x?
>
> Oh - or your proposal below: sugar-platform-0.8x.  Not bad...
>
>
>>> And when all packages part of Sucrose is packaged, the current suggests of sucrose-0.8x packages will be raised to depends, as that package will then act as the Debian official way to install "all of core Sugar".
>>
>> Similarly the sugar-platform-0.xx (whatever it gets called) should provide not only "core" Sugar, but "all an activity author can safely rely on being available". It will significantly increase the installation size (which is why a "core" package is still useful), but provide assurance that all well-written (and portable) activities should work.
>
> Let's have a look at the "assurance":
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>> Python 2.5/2.6
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> Authors should then know that "well-written" implies "must only use functions supported by *both* Python 2.5 and Python 2.6".
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>
>> Gtk+ 2.16
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> Debian have moved on to GTK+ 2.18 in Sid, and do not offer the older library as an alternative.

Gtk+ offers backward compatibility, so all is good.

>> GStreamer 0.10
>
> [...]
>
>> gstreamer 0.10.14
>
> Huh?!? I guess the capitalized is an ABI and the lowercased one is the actual implementation.  So a Sugar Platform must include a specific micro version of the actual implementation of GStreamer?!?
>
>
> That page seems Fedora-specific to me.  For distros (based on) other than Fedora the page seems usable only as inspiration!

Don't have internet access now to check for myself, but that page
should be distro-independent.

> It seems to me that the page needs clarification (is it ABIs or implementation releases? is it exact or minimum numbers?) to be really usable on a wider scale.

Should be ABIs and minimum numbers.

Regards,

Tomeu

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>
> Kind regards,
>
>  - Jonas
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