Snapshot Archive is now searchable for Packages. Fumitoshi
> Ukai (鵜飼 文敏)
> \
> announced that he has implemented a new function to href="http://snapshot.debian.net/">snapshot.debian.net to search for
> packages. This is sure to help people for searching the old versions of
this is sure? What does that mean?
> particular package from the huge archive. He also prepared a shortcut URL
> like http://snapshot.debian.net/package/<packagename>.
> Domenico Andreoli and Branden Robinson thanked him with this great job as well
> as Martin Schulze who suggested him to implement such this function.
April Fools Pranks. The community released a couple of > April fools pranks, of which we're listing some. Pascal Hakim sent in href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0403/msg02440.html">document > covering improvements for Debian releases. Pablo Lorenzzoni became href="http://hackers.propus.com.br/~pablo/blog/?id=19">illuminated and > wanted to switch to a proprietary operating system. The Internet Society > determined the \ > requirements for the Omniscience Protocol (RFC 3751). Symlink href="http://www.symlink.ch/articles/04/03/31/2154255.shtml">reported > about a guy who wanted to file a class-action law against the Free Software > Foundation. Finally, the href="http://www.cs.uni-frankfurt.de/~schmehl/grsecurity-first-april.png">defacement > of their own website by the grsecurity people was a bit awkward and scared > quite some people.
people used two times. Perhaps replace the first one with "members"? >Probing for Operating Systems. Joey Hess href="http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/os_probing-2004-04-04-04-40.html">\ > reported that he was working together with Josh Kwan to work on probing Joshua Kwan > for other operating systems. This will be used by the href="$(HOME)/devel/debian-installer/">debian-installer to create the boot > configuration which should be able to boot the other operating systems as > well.
Gruesse, -- Frank LichtenheldIndirect Donation from Redmond. A particular advertisement > in the current issue of the German href="http://www.linux-magazin.de/">Linux Magazin magazine, created and > paid by a Redmond-based company, did not only cause a href="http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=12819">discussion > on whether a GNU/Linux oriented magazine should accept such an advertisement > but also a large donation to > the Debian project.
Hello everyone, Could any of the german-speaking people enligthen me on the meaning of the two articles above, please? The general idea would be enough (the DWN is a bit terse to me). My German lessons are way too old for me to understand them correctly. Viel Dank! Fred From djpig@debian.org Tue Apr 6 01:15:42 2004 From: djpig@debian.org (Frank Lichtenheld) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 02:15:42 +0200 Subject: [Dwn-trans-english] Re: Yay! Preview 2004/14 In-Reply-To: <20040405231553.GO31003@athena.olympe.fr> References: <20040405181529.GJ1655@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> <20040405231553.GO31003@athena.olympe.fr> Message-ID: <20040406001542.GI707@djpig.de> On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 01:15:53AM +0200, Frédéric Bothamy wrote: > > Could any of the german-speaking people enligthen me on the meaning of > the two articles above, please? The general idea would be enough (the > DWN is a bit terse to me). My German lessons are way too old for me to > understand them correctly. By "two articles" you mean http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=12819 and http://www.linuxnewmedia.de/presse ? Here we go (translated by paragraph): http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=12819 Gestern erhielt ich die neuste Ausgabe des Linux-Magazins. Beim Durchschauen des Heftes war Anfangs alles völlig normal. Ja -- bis zur Seite 37, da lachte mich plötzlich eine ganzseitige Anzeige der Firma Microsoft an. Mir war nicht sofort bewusst, was ich da sah, aber mein Gesicht muss ziemlich überrascht ausgesehen haben, wie mir meine Frau versicherte. He found the advertisement by Microsoft in Linux Magazin. Ich bin mir im Moment immer noch nicht klar, was ich davon halten soll. Hier wird in einer Fachzeitschrift für Linux Werbung für den direkten Wettbewerber gemacht. Man muss zugeben, dass dies ein sehr guter Schachzug der Werbestrategen von Microsoft ist. Hier wird wirklich zielgruppenorientiert geworben. "Good move by Microsoft, good targeted" Wenn man sich die Anzeige anschaut, so wird nicht mit bunten Bildchen oder wilden Funktionalitäten geworben, sondern schlicht mit einem verantwortlichen Administrator, der mit Hilfe von Windows ein recht komplexes Problem gelöst hat. Dabei kommt die Aufgabe aus einem Bereich, in dem Linux besondere Stärke nachgesagt wird, nämlich leichte zentrale Administration und Software-Verteilung. "no funky pictures", "serious advertisement which aims at Linux-specific advances: central administration and deployment of software" Ich würde behaupten, dass dies ein Beweis dafür ist, dass Microsoft Linux im Bereich der Server-Systeme als echte Konkurrenz ansieht. Man macht gezielt in einer Zeitschrift für Linux-Admins Werbung, mit einem Thema das nur in einem professionellem Umfeld auftritt. "this proves that Microsoft sees Linux as real competitor in the server market" Nun bin ich geteilter Meinung, ob man als Linux-Verlag solche Anzeigen annehmen sollte. Ab einer bestimmten Größenordnung von Anzeigenvolumen wird immer die Abhängigkeit der Zeitschrift von den Anzeigenkunden bedenklich. Nun so weit sind wir hier noch nicht, aber hätte man diese Anzeige nicht prinzipiell von Anfang an ablehnen sollen, oder ist es gerade wichtig diese Anzeige zu schalten, um den Gedanken der Offenheit gegenüber Anderen auch in diesem Bereich zu leben? He talks about the dependence of the magazines from the advertisement buyers and the implication of this to this specific ad. Should such ads be rejected normally? Bemerkenswert finde ich den Hinweis im Editorial des Heftes, wo auf diese Anzeige Bezug genommen wird. Darin heisst es, dass das Geld für diese Anzeige dem Debian-Projekt gespendet wird. Wenn das der Fall ist, gratuliere ich der Linux New Media AG zu ihren feinen Sinn für Ironie. Ich nehme dies auch als Zeichen dafür, dass man demonstrieren will, nicht abhängig von den Geldern einer Firma zu sein. The money will be donated to Debian (this is written in the editorial). He applaudes. Allerdings was ist, wenn diese Anzeigen regelmäßig geschaltet werden? Es wäre für einen Verlag wirtschaftlich nicht sinnvoll die Einnahmen aus Anzeigenverkäufen dauerhaft zu spenden. Da durch diese Anzeigen Seiten belegt werden, die durch andere Anzeigen gewinnbringend verkauft werden könnten. But donating the money can not be a long-term solution, the magazines live from the money earned trough selling ads... Ich würde gerne Eure Meinung dazu hören, da ich mir nicht ganz im Klaren bin, wie das Linux-Magazin sich verhalten soll. He ask for the opinion of the readers if Linux magazines should regulary accept ads by Microsoft or if this should be a single, special incident as indicated by donating the money. http://www.linuxnewmedia.de/presse Microsoft wirbt im Linux-Magazin Oder: Goliath schenkt David eine Schleuder Heute erscheint die neue Ausgabe des renommierten Linux-Magazins, und die IT-Szene wird verblüfft sein: Die Leser finden dort eine Anzeige von Microsoft, mit der der Software-Gigant höchst seriös seine Produkte für Server bewirbt. Extrem emotional verläuft sonst die Debatte zwischen Microsoft und den Verfechtern des kostenlos verfügbaren Betriebssystems Linux. Häufige Scharmützel begleiten den Kampf der Weltanschauungen eines Quasi-Monopolisten mit den allmählich Oberwasser gewinnenden Linux-Enthusiasten. The new issue of Linux-Magazin will contain a serious advertisement by Microsoft which is rather unusual given the hot flamewars between Microsoft and the Open Source community. "Die Microsoft-Anzeige ist kein Aprilscherz", bestätigt Jan Kleinert, Chefredakteur des Linux-Magazins. "Offensichtlich beschäftigen sich die Redmonder jetzt auch inhaltlich mit den Vorteilen freier Software. Dass die professionelle Leserschaft des Linux-Magazins ein begehrtes Ziel solcher Umarmungsversuche ist, überrascht uns nicht. Das Linux-Magazin spendet die so erzielten Einnahmen dem Debian-Projekt, einer Open-Source-Gemeinschaft unabhängiger Programmierer, die ein Betriebssystem mit Linux-Kern entwickelt hat und laufend verfeinert." "this is not a April fools prank but a serious contest with Free Software aiming at the professional readership of Linux-Magzin." "Linux-Magazin will donate the revenue from this advertisement to the Debian project, a Open Source community that develops a Linux-based operating system" hth, -- Frank LichtenheldIndirect Donation from Redmond. A particular adve= rtisement > > in the current issue of the German > href=3D"http://www.linux-magazin.de/">Linux Magazin magazine, cre= ated and > > paid by a Redmond-based company, did not only cause a > href=3D"http://www.linux-community.de/Neues/story?storyid=3D12819">di= scussion > > on whether a GNU/Linux oriented magazine should accept such an advert= isement > > but also a large donat= ion to > > the Debian project.
>=20 > Hello everyone, >=20 > Could any of the german-speaking people enligthen me on the meaning of > the two articles above, please? The general idea would be enough (the > DWN is a bit terse to me). My German lessons are way too old for me to > understand them correctly. Hi Fr=E9d=E9ric, let's first explain Microsofts advertisement in "Linux Magazin", page 37. There's a large picture of a smiling man who updated 10.000 PCs in 10 minutes using the newest application. The German text is: "Herr 5.000 PCs in 10 Minuten upgedated mit der neuesten Anwendung" which seems to be incorrect (the name of the person is missing, or "Herr" is bogus) ("Mr. 5.000 PCs updated in 10 min using newest application"). The rest of this page: *********************************** "We performed in 2002 more than 807.000 software implementations on 65.000 desktops. So we saved more than 247.000 working hours." Steven Bramson, Motorola Motorola uses Windows Server System to simplify IT management. Management Server based on SQL and Windows server is used by Motorola on more than 65.000 desktops. See microsoft.com/germany/wssystem Microsoft Windows Server System *********************************** The first article asks whether a Linux publisher should accept such advertisements and contains that the money is donated to Debian. The second article: It's not a April, 1st joke, it's a really serious advertisement instead of one of the usual flame wars. I hope it helps Jens From joey@infodrom.org Tue Apr 6 07:42:38 2004 From: joey@infodrom.org (Martin Schulze) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:42:38 +0200 Subject: [Dwn-trans-english] Re: Yay! Preview 2004/14 In-Reply-To: <20040405213329.GD707@djpig.de> References: <20040405181529.GJ1655@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> <20040405213329.GD707@djpig.de> Message-ID: <20040406064238.GS1655@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> Frank Lichtenheld wrote: > >Snapshot Archive is now searchable for Packages. Fumitoshi
> > Ukai (鵜飼 文敏)
> > \
> > announced that he has implemented a new function to > href="http://snapshot.debian.net/">snapshot.debian.net to search for
> > packages. This is sure to help people for searching the old versions of
>
> this is sure? What does that mean?
"Das wird sicherlich vielen Personen bei .. helfen".
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Ukai \
announced that he has implemented a new function on snapshot.debian.net to search for
-packages. This is sure to help people in searching for old versions of a
+packages. This is sure to help many people in searching for old versions of a
particular package from the huge archive. He has also created a shortcut URL
of the form http://snapshot.debian.net/package/<packagename>.
Domenico Andreoli and Branden Robinson thanked him for this great job as well
-as Martin Schulze who suggested he implement such this function.
Debian Host Naming Scheme. After Lars Wirzenius wondered if no-one @@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ about a guy who wanted to file a class-action law against the Free Software Foundation. Finally, the defacement -of their own website by the grsecurity people was a bit awkward and scared +of their own website by the grsecurity developers was a bit awkward and scared quite some people.
# From: Nobuhiro ImaiProbing for Operating Systems. Joey Hess \
-reported that he was working together with Josh Kwan to work on probing
+reported that he was working together with Joshua Kwan to work on probing
for other operating systems. This will be used by the debian-installer to create the boot
configuration which should be able to boot other operating systems as
Regards,
Joey
--
Never trust an operating system you don't have source for!
From frederic.bothamy@free.fr Tue Apr 6 09:58:38 2004
From: frederic.bothamy@free.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E9d=E9ric?= Bothamy)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:58:38 +0200
Subject: [Dwn-trans-english] Re: Yay! Preview 2004/14
In-Reply-To: <20040406001542.GI707@djpig.de>
References: <20040405181529.GJ1655@finlandia.infodrom.north.de> <20040405231553.GO31003@athena.olympe.fr> <20040406001542.GI707@djpig.de>
Message-ID: <20040406085838.GP31003@athena.olympe.fr>
* Frank Lichtenheld Indirect Donation from Redmond to the Project. A part=
icular advertisement
in the current issue of the German Linux Magazin magazine, created=
and
paid by a Redmond-based company, did not only cause a discus=
sion (German only)
on whether a GNU/Linux oriented magazine should accept such an advertisem=
ent
but after the magazin donated the money to the Debian project, also a lar=
ge
indirect donation to
the Debian project.
