[gopher] Future of this list, etc.

Sun Oct 1 17:15:01 UTC 2017

Thanks Mateusz! I'm somewhat convinced :D

James Mills / prologic

E: prologic at shortcircuit.net.au
W: prologic.shortcircuit.net.au

On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 1:05 AM, Mateusz Viste <mateusz at nospam.viste.fr>
wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Sep 2017 16:21:01 -0700, James Mills wrote:
> > I concur. I've never used NNTP and I vaguely remember ions ago it was a
> > bit awkward to use :/
>
> It's surely *much* simpler than the messy pop3/imap/smtp stuff. NNTP is a
> single protocol specialized for exchange of messages using a very simple
> set of commands (thus very easy to implement). Mail, on the other hand,
> became a glorified mess in the last 30 years.
>
> > Can someone explain why NNTP is better than a mailing list?
>
> First I have to say that "better" is probably not the correct term.
> "different", yes. For a small project that will run over the course of a
> few months with a bunch of people - I'd say go with a mailing list. If
> we're talking about a subject that spans over a few years (decades even),
> with an uncontrolled amount of subscribers, then Usenet is the way to go.
>
> This should provide you with an (incomplete, but still) introduction:
> http://www.savetz.com/yic/YIC05FI_25.html
>
> Myself, I value also the fact that Usenet is a truly public place. When a
> new subscriber gets the list, he can get the history of past messages
> right away. A mailing list doesn't allow such thing (not other than
> looking into some web-based archive stuff, if the mailing list provides
> such additional tool).
>
> Resiliency: Usenet is a network of meshed NNTP servers. Should a few
> servers go down, no big deal, nothing is lost. Should the mailing list
> server go down, you're fucked. This gets me to another point:
>
> Persistent across time. One day or another, the mailing list server will
> cease business. What then? "Migrating" the users to another mailing list
> provider. In the meantime, all past messages are lost from the internet.
> With Usenet, this doesn't happen.
>
> The killfile is also a feature that I enjoy much, and pretty much every
> news reader implement it. Sure, you could probably emulate it with
> cryptic rules in some mail programs, but it's a mess.
>
> Separating mail from public forum. Not everyone cares about this, but I
> do. I like to receive on my mail things that I am supposed to answer.
> Messages coming from a public forum are distracting me in times when I
> have more important things to attend to.
>
> Spammy additions - some mailing lists like to add some ads to the
> messages that are posted by users. I really hate that. If I post
> something, I want it to be delivered exactly as I typed it, without
> additional crap.
>
> Finally, I choose what I want to read (and fetch). If I'm not interested
> in a thread, I mark it as ignored, and its messages won't even be
> downloaded to my PC (headers only) - while with a mailing list I am
> forced into getting all the stuff.
>
> Mateusz
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Mr. Leveck
> > <leveck at leveck.us> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Was the decision made to move to NNTP?
> >>
> >> What are some good, free news-servers? What are some decent clients
> >> (console & X11)?
> >>
> >> This is one aspect of the web I have not restarted use of yet. I'm
> >> thinking about 17 years ago on a Palm device was my last active use of
> >> NNTP... yeah, I suppose I could duckduckgo this, but I am looking for
> >> tried and liked options. TYIA
> >>
> >> --
> >> Leveck
> >>
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> > <div dir="ltr">I concur. I've never used NNTP and I vaguely remember
> > ions ago it was a bit awkward to use :/<div><br></div><div>Can someone
> > explain why NNTP is better than a mailing list?</div></div><div
> > class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"
> > data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><span
> > style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-
> size:13px"><br><font
> > face="arial, sans-serif">James Mills / prologic</font><br><br><font
> > face="arial, sans-serif"></font><font face="'courier new',
> > monospace">E: <a href="mailto:prologic at shortcircuit.net.au"
> > style="color:rgb(0,0,204)"
> > target="_blank">prologic at shortcircuit.net.au</a></font></span><div><span
> > style="font-family:'courier
> > new',monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px">W: </span><a
> > href="http://prologic.shortcircuit.net.au"
> > style="font-family:'courier
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> > target="_blank">prologic.shortcircuit.net.au</a><br></div></div></div>
> > <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Mr. Leveck
> > <span dir="ltr"><<a
> > href="mailto:leveck at leveck.us"
> > target="_blank">leveck at leveck.us</a>></
> span>
> > wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
> > .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
> >
> >
> >
> >   <div>
> > <br>Was the decision made to move to NNTP? <br><br>What are some good,
> > free news-servers? What are some decent clients (console &
> > X11)?<br><br>This is one aspect of the web I have not restarted use of
> > yet. I'm thinking about 17 years ago on a Palm device was my last
> > active use of NNTP... yeah, I suppose I could duckduckgo this, but I am
> > looking for tried and liked options. TYIA<span class="HOEnZb"><font
> > color="#888888"><br><br>
> > --
> > <br>Leveck  </font></span></div>
>
>
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