[Evolution] Bug#587413: Bug#587413: Bug#587413: evolution fails on lenny -> squeeze full-upgrade

[maximilian attems]

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 04:15:43PM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> severity 587413 normal
> thanks

wtf.

> On 28/06/2010 15:55, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > On 28/06/2010 15:23, maximilian attems wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 03:18:37PM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> >>> On 28/06/2010 14:58, maximilian attems wrote:
> >>>> hmm checking the root mail account, I see lots of mails telling me to:
> >>>> evolution --force-shutdown
> >>>> why can't that be done by hand,
> >>>
> >>> As said on irc, we can't kill an user process, that'd definitely be a
> >>> bad behavior.
> >>
> >> it is indisutable to have run to every of those boxes as evolutions
> >> fails miserably to upgrade.
> > 
> > -ENOPARSE
> >>
> >> when one has chosen Noninteractive, one doesn't want to be
> >> bothered about every detail and corner cases of the boxes one admins.
> >> so I don't see the trouble of the shutdown.
> >>
> > It's not a good idea to upgrade when there are processes running. I have
> > to admit I feel bad about chosing for you the intended behavior in that
> > case. Since you ask ???I don't care, do as you want???, I guess we could add
> > a check on noninteractive mode and proceed with evolution running (I
> > really don't think a preinst script should be allowed to kill an user
> > process).
> > 
> > I don't really like noninteractive as a way to allow users to shoot
> > themselves in the foot, but maybe that's just me.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> 
> Ok, looking at
> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html#s-controllingterminal
> 
> here is my proposal:
> 
> * explicit check for evolution and evolution-exchange-storage processes
> and not the others;

that would already help a bit.

> * don't change the abort part
> 
> And keep the bug opened, normal, wontfix. I prefer pissing the user
> about failed upgrade (which is fixable by just quitting evolution, and
> shouldn't happen much anyway) than to risk losing data.
> 
> In most cases where noninteractive is used, I don't see the user running
> a desktop anyway (upgrading the distribution in noninteractive mode from
> the desktop or with a desktop running doesn't look like a good idea to me).

again great antisocial behaviour and that is the reason people choose
Ubuntu and not debian.

aborting an upgrade when you can actually do it. I see zero reason why
evolution is such a special mail client that it can't upgrade itself.
thunderbird can do and each other should.

rethink this decision. from the around 60 desktops I manage around
here I won't check on upgrade if someone is logged in when upgrading.
have other things to waste my time.
thanks.