[Evolution] Bug#582358: Refuses to connect when network-manager installed

Torsten Landschoff t.landschoff at gmx.net
Thu May 20 07:27:43 UTC 2010

Package: evolution
Severity: normal
Tags: sid

Hi Evolution packagers.

After upgrading my system yesterday, I was unable to read email using
evolution today. Everything related to working online (including the
"Work offline" menu item) was grayed out.

What's worse, there is no feedback from evolution as to why it would not
allow me to get my new email. After fighting pidgin on a netbook for
hours I guessed the problem is the same thing: Without asking the user
or leaving any loophole, the "$&%!"$ software relies on the indication
of network-manager if the system is online.

However, I did not willingly install network manager on this system. I
wanted to try the current KDE and installing kde pulled network manager
in. Given that I don't want a complex software managing my GBit local
ethernet adapter (ifup works fine, while network-manager has failed me
many times), I went ahead and removed network-manager and anything
related from my system.

After restarting evolution, I can now use it again.

Having to fight the system to tell it that the network is in fact
available feels like the worst days of Windows usage for me. Can we stop
going that "user-friendly" route?

I am not directly opposed to using network-manager as indication that
the system is offline. However, it should be easy to find out (using a
tooltip on the grayed menu entry, anything that pops up automatically).
I consider refusing to work without any indication as quite childish.

As you can see from the length of the email, this tripped a nerve for
me. I hope you can understand my point and coordinate with upstream to
improve the situation.

Thanks for your work!


-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
  APT prefers unstable
  APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'testing'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.32-5-amd64 (SMP w/4 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

Versions of packages evolution depends on:
ii  dbus                    1.2.24-1         simple interprocess
messaging syst
ii  debconf [debconf-2.0]   1.5.32           Debian configuration
management sy
ii  evolution-common       architecture independent
files for
ii  evolution-data-server   2.30.1-4         evolution database backend
ii  gconf2                  2.28.1-3         GNOME configuration
database syste
ii  gnome-icon-theme       GNOME Desktop icon theme
ii  libart-2.0-2            2.3.21-1         Library of functions for 2D
ii  libatk1.0-0             1.30.0-1         The ATK accessibility
ii  libc6                   2.10.2-8         Embedded GNU C Library:
Shared lib
ii  libcairo2               1.8.10-4         The Cairo 2D vector
graphics libra
ii  libcamel1.2-14          2.30.1-4         The Evolution MIME message
ii  libcanberra-gtk0        0.24-1           Gtk+ helper for playing
widget eve
ii  libcanberra0            0.24-1           a simple abstract interface
for pl
ii  libdbus-1-3             1.2.24-1         simple interprocess
messaging syst
ii  libdbus-glib-1-2        0.86-1           simple interprocess
messaging syst
ii  libebackend1.2-0        2.30.1-4         Utility library for
evolution data
ii  libebook1.2-9           2.30.1-4         Client library for
evolution addre
ii  libecal1.2-7            2.30.1-4         Client library for
evolution calen
ii  libedataserver1.2-11    2.30.1-4         Utility library for
evolution data
ii  libedataserverui1.2-8   2.30.1-4         GUI utility library for
ii  libegroupwise1.2-13     2.30.1-4         Client library for
accessing group
ii  libenchant1c2a          1.4.2-3.6        a wrapper library for
various spel
ii  libevolution         evolution libraries
ii  libfontconfig1          2.8.0-2.1        generic font configuration
ii  libfreetype6            2.3.11-1         FreeType 2 font engine,
shared lib
ii  libgconf2-4             2.28.1-3         GNOME configuration
database syste
ii  libgdata-google1.2-1    2.30.1-4         Client library for
accessing Googl
ii  libgdata1.2-1           2.30.1-4         Client library for
accessing Googl
ii  libglib2.0-0            2.24.1-1         The GLib library of C
ii  libgnome-desktop-2-17   2.30.0-2         Utility library for
loading .deskt
ii  libgnomecanvas2-0       2.30.1-1         A powerful object-oriented
ii  libgtk2.0-0             2.20.1-1         The GTK+ graphical user
ii  libgtkhtml-editor0      3.30.1-2         HTML rendering/editing
library - e
ii  libgtkhtml3.14-19       3.30.1-2         HTML rendering/editing
library - r
ii  libgweather1            2.30.0-2         GWeather shared library
ii  libical0                0.44-3           iCalendar library
implementation i
ii  libice6                 2:1.0.6-1        X11 Inter-Client Exchange
ii  libnotify1 [libnotify1- 0.4.5-1          sends desktop notifications
to a n
ii  libnspr4-0d             4.8.4-1          NetScape Portable Runtime
ii  libnss3-1d              3.12.6-2         Network Security Service
ii  libpango1.0-0           1.28.0-1         Layout and rendering of
ii  libsm6                  2:1.1.1-1        X11 Session Management
ii  libsoup2.4-1            2.30.1-1         an HTTP library
implementation in 
ii  libsqlite3-0         SQLite 3 shared library
ii  libstartup-notification 0.10-1           library for program launch
ii  libunique-1.0-0         1.1.6-1          Library for writing single
ii  libxml2                 2.7.7.dfsg-2     GNOME XML library
ii  zlib1g                  1: compression library -

Versions of packages evolution recommends:
ii  bogofilter                    1.2.1-2    a fast Bayesian spam filter
ii  evolution-plugins    standard plugins for
ii  evolution-webcal              2.28.0-1   webcal: URL handler for
GNOME and 
ii  gnome-desktop-data            2.30.0-2   Common files for GNOME
desktop app
pn  yelp                          <none>     (no description available)

Versions of packages evolution suggests:
ii  bug-buddy                  2.30.0+dfsg-1 GNOME Desktop Environment
bug repo
pn  evolution-dbg              <none>        (no description available)
pn  evolution-exchange         <none>        (no description available)
pn  evolution-plugins-experime <none>        (no description available)
ii  gnupg                      1.4.10-3      GNU privacy guard - a free
PGP rep
pn  network-manager            <none>        (no description available)

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