[Pkg-ime-devel] RFS: scim-kmfl-imengine

[Ming Hua]

On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 12:05:36PM -0800, Doug Rintoul wrote:
> Ming Hua wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 09:15:32AM -0800, Doug Rintoul wrote:
> >   
> >> I have taken out the im-switch stuff (at least the preinst prerm) from 
> >> the scim-kmfl-imengine that I uploaded to mentors.debian.net.
> >
> > The im-switch file is still in debian/im-switch, and debian/rules still
> > installs it.
> >   
> This is correct. The problem is that the scim im-switch file keeps 
> changing, at least for Ubuntu. Under Fiesty, GTK_IM_MODULE was set to 
> scim, however under Gutsy, GTK_IM_MODULE was set to xim.

Yeah, I am aware of this.  Now that Ubuntu scim package's im-switch
setting is synchronized with Debian's, let's hope it can stay that way
from now on.

> This "broke" kmfl as well as a few other things. I realize this is not
> a Debian problem, but an Ubuntu problem.

Then please at least keep the Debian package simple, and add the extra
measures to the Ubuntu package.

> The solution given was to edit /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/scim and change
> the xim references to scim.

This is just plainly misinformed suggestion.  Ubuntu also ships the
scim-immodule setting, the proper way has always been using im-switch,
instead of changing the configurations file.  I've seen such suggestions
given elsewhere, I just don't have time to correct it every time I see
it.

> But of course, these changes would be wiped out the next time a person
> upgraded scim.

Acutally not, since /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/scim is a conffile.  But
that's another topic.

> Providing a scim-kmfl im-switch file would give more control over the
> scim environment under which kmfl runs and would.
> 
> >> However kmfl really does work best with the scim gtk connector for gtk
> >> apps. XIM just does not cut it with many apps since it does not
> >> support things like getting the current context and deleting text
> >> around the cursor.
> >
> > Before there is a better way for the individual IM module packages to
> > configure the im-switch settings, you can always depend on
> > scim-gtk2-immodule and add a debconf note to ask users to set im-switch
> > to scim-immodule (or even offer to set it in the debconf question).
> >   
> This is a good option, however for reasons stated above I would rather 
> have the user use the scim-kmfl im-switch file rather than the scim 
> im-switch file. But I am open to suggestions.

I can guarantee that scim package's im-switch setting won't change
randomly.  And when it changes, upgrade path will be provided so that
packages that depend on it won't break.

I think as the maintainer, it's eventually your decision (and your
sponsor's decision) to make.  But I'll just make it clear that I'm very
against the idea of SCIM IM engine packages shipping their own im-switch
settings.

Ming
2007.12.07