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Alastair McKinstry alastair at scealnetworks.com
Fri Sep 7 08:35:30 UTC 2007 



>
> I got the original set from "the web", looking for the ISO set first,
> and then getting a set from
> the best older set I could get. This was pre-wikipedia.
>
> I went looking for corrections wherever I could, since I didn't have
> access to the for-pay ISO-4217 set.
> At the time I looked, ICU didn't seem very definitive, but that was a
> while ago.
>
> I'm reluctant to get an "official" ISO 4217 set, in case we are
> accused of copyright infringement by
> the vendors of the Official list. The approach is to 'take the best
> data we can about the standard, and then
> converge by correcting it, and merging the newsletter / updates".
> This works well for ISO 3166, etc. but not for
> ISO 4217.
>
> SO 4217 is particularly bad in that there are a lot of older
> inconsistent copies on the web.
> OTOH, by continuous improvement and integration we become the
> _de_facto_ 'standard': the point of the standard
> is to have one agreed version that everyone can share. As iso-codes
> becomes integrated into more and more
> software, being consistent with _it_ is easier and more relevant than
> with a paper standard no-one has
> realistic access to (e.g. Do the Gnucash developers, or even man
> commercial accounting packages,
> have official ISO 4217 copies).
>
> Hence I think we should pay attention to staying consistent with ICU
> and Wikipedia, even to the point of automating
> checks.
>
>
> On 7 Sep 2007, at 06:26, Christian Perrier wrote:
>
>>>> I'm afraid I don't understand the question. Do you mean you want to
>>>> know what source was used for the list (before my changes)?
>>>
>>> Sorry that my question was not clear. Yes, that's what I mean.
>>> Because some of the entries deviated a little bit from ISO one,
>>> but identical to ICU one.
>>
>>
>> I don't really know what source was used by Alastair,
>> unfortunately. *he* could answer...
>>
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>
> Regards,
> Alastair
>
> --  
> Alastair McKinstry  , <alastair at scealnetworks.com>     http://
> blog.scealnetworks.com
>
> Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite
> world
> is either a madman or an economist - Kenneth Boulter, Economist.
>
>
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> margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sorry that my question was  
> not =
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> margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Because  
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> of the entries deviated a little bit from ISO one,</DIV><DIV =
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Regards,
Alastair

-- 
Alastair McKinstry  , <alastair at scealnetworks.com>     http:// 
blog.scealnetworks.com

Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite  
world
is either a madman or an economist - Kenneth Boulter, Economist.


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