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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I didn't say the message is wrong. In
fact, upstream uses a similar message even for release candidates.
As I wrote, I didn't know from what angle this should be
approached. It is certainly unacceptable for Debian 8 to ship a
PHP version not ready for production. Either:<br>
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<li>We consider beta3 ready for production, in which case the
entry is very misleading.</li>
<li>We consider beta3 unfit for production, in which case a
different version must reach testing.<br>
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<p>I consider it excessively aggressive to replace mature PHP
versions with betas, but that doesn't mean I consider betas
unfit for release. I didn't test beta3 enough to say which angle
is best, that's your call.<br>
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It's rather true that testing should not be used in production,
but that doesn't mean one can push anything to testing. One may
upload a seriously broken package to unstable, but not knowingly.
By uploading a version to unstable, you're stating that you deem
it fit, although it's OK if testing later disproves that.<br>
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By the way, there is no need to have such entries in the first
place. People don't install from experimental by accident - if
they do, they're responsible for making appropriate use. It was
already clear from the version's alpha denomination that it was
unfit for production. Adding an explicit mention in the changelog
would have been more than enough.<br>
<br>
On 2014-06-05 13:20, Ondřej Surý wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">I am curious where the bug is here...
The message is very much still true and will be/should be removed when
upstream reach RC phase.
This should not be used in production (and that also holds for Debian
testing - it should
not be used for production).
I will not close the bug just for the sake of avoiding duplicate bug
reports,
but I see no bug here.
O.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014, at 18:48, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
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<pre wrap="">severity 750682 normal
tags 750682 pending
thanks
On Thu, June 5, 2014 18:36, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Package: php5
Version: 5.6.0~beta3+dfsg-2
Severity: serious
NEWS.Debian contains the following entry:
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<pre wrap="">php5 (5.6.0~alpha1+dfsg-1) experimental; urgency=medium
* THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PREVIEW - DO NOT USE IT IN PRODUCTION!
* PHP 5.6.0alpha1 comes with new features such as (incomplete list) :
+ constant scalar expressions,
+ variadic functions,
+ argument unpacking,
+ support for large(>2GiB) file uploads,
+ SSL/TLS improvements,
+ a new command line debugger called phpdbg.
-- Ondřej Surý <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ondrej@debian.org"><ondrej@debian.org></a> Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:02:20 +0100
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I'm not sure from what angle this should be taken. On one hand, although
the version which reached testing is no longer alpha, it's still very
early. The current release's announcement had a similar disclaimer:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://php.net/archive/2014.php#id2014-05-15-1">http://php.net/archive/2014.php#id2014-05-15-1</a>
On the other hand, we have a history of aggressive PHP packaging. Even the
last major version was packaged at RC stage. As far as I know/remember,
that went rather well, so we might be as lucky. Alpha versions have been
packaged since January.
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Thanks. This message was already removed in git so it won't display on
jessie upgrades after the next upload.
Cheers,
Thijs
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="998">--
Filipus Klutiero
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.philippecloutier.com">http://www.philippecloutier.com</a></pre>
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