[pkg-wine-party] WoW64 implemented Re: Call for testing: automatically detect wine arch and WoW64

Michael Gilbert mgilbert at debian.org
Sun Jan 3 06:25:45 UTC 2016


On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Austin English <austinenglish at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 2, 2016 9:59 PM, "Michael Gilbert" <mgilbert at debian.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Austin English <austinenglish at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Jan 2, 2016 9:07 PM, "Michael Gilbert" <mgilbert at debian.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Austin English wrote:
>> >> > Yes,  in theory. In practice, many users don't report their
>> >> > distribution,
>> >> > and many developers ignore reports without the needed information.
>> >> >
>> >> > Why is it being overriden in the first place?
>> >>
>> >> Because when everything is working normally (the vast majority of the
>> >> time for most users) debug output is just noise.
>> >>
>> >> For similar reasons debian puts debugging symbols into separate
>> >> packages that the user has to explicitly decide to install.
>> >>
>> >> Best wishes,
>> >> Mike
>> >
>> > The vast majority of software that I run on Debian outputs noise, either
>> > to
>> > stdout, stderr, or ~/.xsession-errors. I don't see why wine should be a
>> > special case in that regard.
>>
>> They all of course violate rule 11 of the unix  philosophy, but that's
>> a choice that the developers of those projects are free to make.
>>
>> Wine is also free to make that choice, and on debian we choose to be a
>> bit more unixy than wine's default.
>
> Debian isn't unix ;). Should I file bugs then for any program that generates
> terminal output? Firefox,  LibreOffice, mousepad off the top of my head are
> all guilty.

The mousepad output looks like a bug that should be fixed, so yes.
iceweasel has no terminal output (firefox doesn't come from debian).
Libreoffice is a complicated beast so that could be an uphill battle,
but if someone cared enough, sure.

> I honestly can't think of any non trivial GUI program on Debian
> that doesn't generate some output. Is there a Debian policy that recommends
> or requires this?

No of course it isn't a policy, it is a philosophy.  And of course
philosophers have a tendency to disagree.

Best wishes,
Mike



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