[pkg-x2go-devel] Bug#784565: Bug#784565: nx-libs-lite: parts are derived from non-free code

Thu May 14 04:58:09 UTC 2015

Hi all,

there has been an off-list mail exchange between Francesco and Kevin  
(and me in Cc:) which I will quote at the end of this mail (as it was  
not meant to be private and we should fully document the flow on this  
issue).

@Kevin: I will take you off this mail thread's Cc: field with my next  
post. Feel free to follow-up via #784565 [1] on the Debian bug  
tracker. Thanks a lot for being so responsive and generous with  
providing information.

On  Di 12 Mai 2015 23:40:48 CEST, Francesco Poli wrote:

> On Tue, 12 May 2015 17:41:55 +0200 Mike Gabriel wrote:

> I think that now it would be useful to ascertain that the other
> copyright owners (Brian Pane, Zachary Vonler, Gian Filippo Pinzari) are
> also OK with this interpretation of the re-licensing operation.

As stated by Kevin, Gian Filippo worked/works on the NoMachine side. I  
will include him in Cc:.

For Brian Pane we also found and e-Mail address, for Zach Vonler, I  
will use the mail address provided in DXPC code (which might be  
outdated), but I think I actually have found his phone number on the  
web, so if that mail address bounces I will give him a ring.

> Maybe Kevin is able to dig the original conversations (assuming they
> were carried on by e-mail or similar archived means) or otherwise to
> get in touch with them and check? Or, alternatively, Kevin could help

As stated in the forwarded messages below, Kevin was unable to dig out  
any mails from backups. So we switch to plan B: contact Brian, Zach  
and Gian Filippo.

> Mike to get in touch with them?

I will do that.

> I hope everything may be settled for the best soon.
> Thanks a lot to everyone involved.

/me, too.

light+love
Mike

[1] http://bugs.debian.org/784565

----- Weitergeleitete Nachricht von Kevin Vigor <kevin at vigor.nu> -----
   Datum: Wed, 13 May 2015 09:01:27 -0600
     Von: Kevin Vigor <kevin at vigor.nu>
Betreff: Re: [pkg-x2go-devel] Bug#784565: nx-libs-lite: parts are  
derived from non-free code
      An: Francesco Poli <invernomuto at paranoici.org>
      Cc: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel at das-netzwerkteam.de>

On 05/12/15 15:40, Francesco Poli wrote:

> Maybe Kevin is able to dig the original conversations (assuming they
> were carried on by e-mail or similar archived means) or otherwise to
> get in touch with them and check? Or, alternatively, Kevin could help
> Mike to get in touch with them?

I'm afraid I was not able to dig anything out of old backups last  
night. I still have a stack of CDs to look through, but don't hold  
your breath. Sorry about that.

I have never had any contact with Zachary Vonler or Gian Filippo  
Pinzari, and have not spoken with Brian Pane in many years, so I have  
no recent contact information for any of them. However, a quick google  
turns up:

https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=728859
http://www.brianp.net/contact/

which is almost certainly the right Brian Pane (he was at CNet at the  
proper time).

    Good luck,
          Kevin

----- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht -----

----- Weitergeleitete Nachricht von Francesco Poli  
<invernomuto at paranoici.org> -----
   Datum: Wed, 13 May 2015 19:43:44 +0200
     Von: Francesco Poli <invernomuto at paranoici.org>
Betreff: Re: [pkg-x2go-devel] Bug#784565: nx-libs-lite: parts are  
derived from non-free code
      An: Kevin Vigor <kevin at vigor.nu>
      Cc: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel at das-netzwerkteam.de>

On Wed, 13 May 2015 09:01:27 -0600 Kevin Vigor wrote:

> On 05/12/15 15:40, Francesco Poli wrote:
>
> > Maybe Kevin is able to dig the original conversations (assuming they
> > were carried on by e-mail or similar archived means) or otherwise to
> > get in touch with them and check? Or, alternatively, Kevin could help
> > Mike to get in touch with them?
>
> I'm afraid I was not able to dig anything out of old backups last  
> night. I still have a stack of CDs to look through, but don't hold  
> your breath. Sorry about that.

Thanks a lot for searching: this is really appreciated, at least from
my side.

>
> I have never had any contact with Zachary Vonler or Gian Filippo Pinzari,

Then I wonder how it was possible to re-license DXPC in 2002...
:-|

> and have not spoken with Brian Pane in many years, so I have no recent
contact information for any of them. However, a quick google turns up:
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=728859
> http://www.brianp.net/contact/
>
> which is almost certainly the right Brian Pane (he was at CNet at  
> the proper time).

This could be really useful, thank you very much!

Mike, I hope the search may go on from there: Brian should be asked
about the retroactive nature of the re-licensing of DXPC and maybe he
also knows how to get in touch with Zachary and/or Gian Filippo...

P.S.: Kevin, any special reason why you dropped several addresses from
the Cc list? Should this part of our conversation be kept private for
the time being? Please clarify. Thanks!

----- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht -----

----- Weitergeleitete Nachricht von Kevin Vigor <kevin at vigor.nu> -----
   Datum: Wed, 13 May 2015 14:08:48 -0600
     Von: Kevin Vigor <kevin at vigor.nu>
Betreff: Re: [pkg-x2go-devel] Bug#784565: nx-libs-lite: parts are  
derived from non-free code
      An: Francesco Poli <invernomuto at paranoici.org>
      Cc: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel at das-netzwerkteam.de>

On 05/13/15 11:43, Francesco Poli wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2015 09:01:27 -0600 Kevin Vigor wrote:

>> I have never had any contact with Zachary Vonler or Gian Filippo Pinzari,
>
> Then I wonder how it was possible to re-license DXPC in 2002...
> :-|
>

I believe Gian worked on the NoMachine code; he has never contributed  
to DXPC directly.

Zachary Vonler was allegedly the maintainer of DXPC for a while circa  
1999, but never responded to any email when I attempted to contact  
him, which is how I came to take over maintenance.

> P.S.: Kevin, any special reason why you dropped several addresses from
> the Cc list? Should this part of our conversation be kept private for
> the time being? Please clarify. Thanks!

No, I was just trying to keep from spamming email lists unnecessarily.  
I do not consider any part of this conversation private.

----- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht -----

----- Weitergeleitete Nachricht von Francesco Poli  
<invernomuto at paranoici.org> -----
   Datum: Wed, 13 May 2015 22:50:32 +0200
     Von: Francesco Poli <invernomuto at paranoici.org>
Betreff: Re: [pkg-x2go-devel] Bug#784565: nx-libs-lite: parts are  
derived from non-free code
      An: Kevin Vigor <kevin at vigor.nu>
      Cc: Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel at das-netzwerkteam.de>

On Wed, 13 May 2015 14:08:48 -0600 Kevin Vigor wrote:

> On 05/13/15 11:43, Francesco Poli wrote:
> > On Wed, 13 May 2015 09:01:27 -0600 Kevin Vigor wrote:
>
> >> I have never had any contact with Zachary Vonler or Gian Filippo Pinzari,
> >
> > Then I wonder how it was possible to re-license DXPC in 2002...
> > :-|
> >
>
> I believe Gian worked on the NoMachine code; he has never  
> contributed to DXPC directly.

Good, then only Zachary has to be tracked down.

>
> Zachary Vonler was allegedly the maintainer of DXPC for a while  
> circa 1999, but never responded to any email when I attempted to  
> contact him, which is how I came to take over maintenance.

Let's hope Brian is able to help Mike in getting in touch with
Zachary...

>
>
> > P.S.: Kevin, any special reason why you dropped several addresses from
> > the Cc list? Should this part of our conversation be kept private for
> > the time being? Please clarify. Thanks!
>
> No, I was just trying to keep from spamming email lists  
> unnecessarily. I do not consider any part of this conversation  
> private.
>

OK, thanks for clarifying.

----- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht -----

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