[Pkg-xfce-devel] Discussion of xfce desktop task for d-i

Yves-Alexis Perez corsac at debian.org
Sat Apr 4 16:39:46 UTC 2009

On sam, 2009-04-04 at 19:27 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > 3. IM client: my first thought was pidgin, but seeing that it wants to
> > > install 20 additional packages I reconsidered. After a quick search I
> > > found ayttm, which at the first glance seems quite usable.
> > 
> > Yeah, a default install kind-of require that, agreed. Pidgin is nice and
> > doesn't require that many packages. But it requires gconf so it's not
> > really a good idea (though we already use gdm in that install, so we
> > already have it :/)
> What do you think about ayttm?

I just installed it, will try it and report.

> > > 4. Document viewer: epdfview makes a good pdf viewer. OTOH, evince-gtk
> > > supports additional formats (ps, eps, djvu and dvi)...
> > 
> > evince-gtk is gone (the only rationale for evince-gtk was to drop the
> > dep on libgnome, which evince has not anymore, but it still depends on
> > libgnome-keyring and gconf). For me I'd prefer epdfview, even if it's a
> > bit rhough.
> It's fine with me, I just wanted to point out that some formats not 
> unusual on Linux (.ps and .dvi) are not supported.

Yes, but people usually needs a pdf viewer (which epdfview is) before a
multi-format preview app (like evince). Which can be installed if user
really needs it :)

> Yes, together with iceweasel and openoffice.org :/ Do you think people 
> would oppose removing the stuff from the desktop task and let every DE 
> chose for itself?

I don't think they would oppose strongly, it's just that the discussion
needs to happens elsewhere I guess (on the desktop list for example).

> > > 7. Productivity: openoffice.org is pulled by the generic Desktop task
> > > (AFAICT). For me personally this is a bit heavy an I would rather only
> > > have Abiword+Gnumeric.
> > 
> > But abiword and gnumeric are gnome apps, they'll bring to many stuff I
> > guess.
> More than the entire OpenOffice.org?

More dependencies, yeah, maybe. And OO.o wether we like it or not, is
expected to be there on default office installs (a bit like iceweasel).
Remember that we speak of the default install, for the most users.
Advanced user can still (and I usually do like that) install manually.
Or remove the packages after install.

> > So I guess we could add midori to the list (and make it the default
> > where possible), but still keep iceweasel in the desktop task.
> Sounds ok. Maybe midori will get more audience this way (which might 
> help fix some bugs).

Yes, correct.
> BTW, how can I make a useful bugreport about the random crashes I've 
> seen?

We (pkg-xfce) don't maintain midori, so you can either report bugs on
the debian package, or directly report them on xfce bugzilla, which
should have a midori component.

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