[Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

Jonas Smedegaard dr at jones.dk
Fri Aug 8 13:26:20 UTC 2014

Quoting Gunnar Wolf (2014-08-08 15:00:35)
> Jens Schüßler dijo [Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 10:37:33AM +0200]:
>>> ...And I'd like us to consider this point as well: How important are 
>>> CD images nowadays? Who has a CD that cannot read a DVD?
>> You may visit some poorer people in the world. 
>> But hey, if they want CD-bread, why don't they just eat DVD-cake.....
> Both Jens and Jonas answer with this assertion. Yes, I don't know most 
> of the developing world — But I do live in a developing country 
> (Mexico), and know quite well several countries in Latin America 
> (including, say, Bolivia, Ecuador and Central America, where I have 
> been to several times, and follow their communities' work).
> Yes, we do have quite a bit of outdated computers. But again, I said, 
> half-jokingly, that computers with CD readers and without a DVD reader 
> will not have enough power for a full desktop environment, such as i3 
> or fvwm. The last computer I had with a CD-but-not-DVD unit was in the 
> 2003-2005 period.
> And yes, many such computers are currently in use. And it would be a 
> disservice not to provide CDs anymore. But that criteria should not be 
> what guides our default for installation; a CD might not be able to 
> have the full GNOME environment, but the computer using the CD would 
> not be able to use it anyway.

I wonder if you still missed my point: Concern is not if computers are 
capable of reading DVDs, but the *bandwith* burden of installing and 
maintaining a larger desktop versus a smaller one.

We can ship only netinst images - completely drop CD and DVD and 
Blueray, and I still find it problematic to favor GNOME over Xfce - due 
to its size - which just happens to be expressed in discussions as "can 
it fit on a single CD?".

The _default_ Debian desktop is what we implicitly recommend for our 
non-technical users, no matter the wealth of alternative offers we have.

 - Jonas

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