[Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

[Anthony F McInerney]

Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
CD's, vs the same amount of DVD's, from those third world countries. Is the
price of a small pack of DVD's really worth making the decision on a DE for
debian?

If people have old CD only machines i would not like to attempt to get
kernel 3.16 +drivers +userland working on that. I've been in that situation
plenty of times, where woody or potato are better simply because the
drivers had been deprecated. Lets not go into the 256/512MB of ram that the
CD only computer has and how much gnome or xfce is going to chew up and
bring the machine to a crawl as soon you try to do anything and it hits
swap.

DVD readers/writers are cheaper now than CD readers/writers ever were.
The only argument you have left is bandwidth, and fortunately DVD's can be
sent in the post. Also we are probably only talking about a 100MB or 200MB
more.

I'd rather a nice debian installer with everything included, rather than
trying to 'cut stuff out' just so it 'fits'. There's simply no need for
that.

The real issue at hand should not be derailed by "does it work with 1995
technology"

As for the topic, the assumption of "let's switch back to gnome now", how
quaint.

Firstly, it should be "Let's choose the default DE for Jessie".

Secondly, why haven't the lxde and kde developers been included on the list
for this discussion?
Even with the init choice, the outsiders were given a chance to speak up
(E17 anyone?)

Thirdly, and more importantly the state of gnome itself in testing/jessie
repositories, let alone sid, even with a larger team, the mismatched
package versions, the first movement from 3.8 to 3.12, means it's barely
been looked at let alone tested, those that do attempt to test it come into
irc regular to complain about it.

So can we not have our DE chosen on the merit of 20 cents, and instead
decide which DE is best for technical reasons, usability, accessibility or
interface and start customising it pronto? (ie, still need to decide on a
default theme)

For reference i do not use XFCE or GNOME as my default DE, i have attempted
to use sid and testing in a vm to test gnome3 recently and just gave up,
that obviously might have changed in the last few weeks.
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