[Pkg-xfce-devel] Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

Olav Vitters olav at vitters.nl
Mon Aug 11 09:21:14 UTC 2014

On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet 
> access.  Larger default desktop will hurt the most in developing 
> countries: non-techies gets discourages to use Debian at all, or when 
> using it may apply security fixes less often.

How poor is poor?

I've been participating since having a theoretical 64KB/s cable
connection, which in practice only did 3-5KB/s (provider: BART in
Rotterdam)! A cd would take about 24 hours to download (net install was
sometimes unreliable, so I preferred a cd). Having a poor connection
means you get creative. I shared the cd's I downloaded, used rewritable
to push the cost down, etc.

I've checked http://explorer.netindex.com/maps which shows the Speed
test results across the world. According to that site, the minimal speed
I can see in various African countries is at least 0.75 Mbps. Much
higher than the speed I was used to.

Always having a slow connection changes means you're tolerance level is
different. I used to download a cd in 24 hours. Nowadays the same takes
maybe 35 seconds.

I don't get the doom and gloom unless you're more clear.

I work for an international shipping company btw, I am well aware of
differences in the world. I'll ask a colleague for regularly travels all
over Africa (TIA :-P) for comments, but suggest first to get a bit more
concrete on what is expected.

Further: Debian switched from *GNOME 2*. Any comparison of sizes should
be done on GNOME 2 vs GNOME 3.


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