[Vmdebootstrap-devel] Bug#804315: Namespace issues

[Michael .]

>It is worth noting that live-build is not a Debian project, it is an
>external project that claims to be an official Debian project. This is
>something that needs to be fixed.

This is a pretty big accusation. Considering Debian has Live images
available through its download page (https://www.debian.org/CD/) one can
only assume that Debian Live is an official part of the Debian project.

>There is no namespace issue, we are building on the existing live-config
and
>live-boot packages that are maintained and bringing these into Debian as
>native projects. If necessary, these will be forks, but I'm hoping that
>won't have to happen and that we can integrate these packages into Debian
>and continue development in a collaborative manner.

Actually there is and I think any person who works in a legal capacity
would verify that.
With regards to collaboration, considering this is the first many people
have heard of this it seems to me you have not gone out of your way to
integrate people who have been working on these packages into your project.
As I said in my previous response to the Debian Live list (which btw last
time someone used the word Debian in a unofficial capacity
(Debian-Mulitmedia) they were asked to stop I haven't seen any requests
like this to the Debian Live mailing list as yet) it would have been good
if "instead of starting a new project the group from the new project would
be much better off assisting with an already well established project

>live-build has been deprecated by debian-cd, and live-build-ng is
>replacing it. In a purely Debian context at least, live-build is
deprecated.
>live-build-ng is being developed in collaboration with debian-cd and D-I.

Just out of interests sake can you provide proof of this?

>I'm aware that I'm going to be upsetting people, but this has been a long
>time coming and I'm not going to spend time bikeshedding over naming. I
>would rather spend that time on integration of live image creation into
>official Debian infrastructure and building the best system for live image
>creation possible.

Methinks you should have spent time communicating with the people who have
spent years doing this already.

>Consider this thread marked as wontfix.

>Thanks,
>Iain.

You seem to be very intractable. No discussion, no change of heart, not
willing to discuss anything with people like Daniel who have been doing
this for years. If there has been correspondence from any part of Debian
and the team who are working on Debian-Live that shows this is not
something new and out of the blue I'll be very surprised.

Cheers.
Michael.

On 9 November 2015 at 10:45, Iain R. Learmonth <irl at debian.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It is worth noting that live-build is not a Debian project, it is an
> external project that claims to be an official Debian project. This is
> something that needs to be fixed.
>
> There is no namespace issue, we are building on the existing live-config
> and
> live-boot packages that are maintained and bringing these into Debian as
> native projects. If necessary, these will be forks, but I'm hoping that
> won't have to happen and that we can integrate these packages into Debian
> and continue development in a collaborative manner.
>
> live-build has been deprecated by debian-cd, and live-build-ng is
> replacing it. In a purely Debian context at least, live-build is
> deprecated.
> live-build-ng is being developed in collaboration with debian-cd and D-I.
>
> I'm aware that I'm going to be upsetting people, but this has been a long
> time coming and I'm not going to spend time bikeshedding over naming. I
> would rather spend that time on integration of live image creation into
> official Debian infrastructure and building the best system for live image
> creation possible.
>
> Consider this thread marked as wontfix.
>
> Thanks,
> Iain.
>
> --
>
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