[Vmdebootstrap-devel] Bug#804315: Namespace issues

[Richard Nelson]

Greetings,

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Neil Williams <codehelp at debian.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:59:41 +0100
> chals <chals at chalsattack.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Iain R. Learmonth <irl at debian.org>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >


<snip>


> > Hi,
> >
> > Reading what you say, and I beg your pardon before going on, I can
> > tell that you absolutely have no idea about what the debian live
> > project is or about its history. But well, I have to admit that if
> > what you say is true, then you have a point.
>
> I've been involved with debian-live before. I remember a meeting with
> the live team at a previous debconf (Argentina?) where one of my
> previous rootfs build tools [multistrap] was being considered for a
> role within live but we didn't find a good match.
>
> > You say "I'm aware that I'm going to be upsetting people, but this has
> > been a long time coming"
> >
> > Yes you are absolutely right, you are upsetting people, people like me
> > who have contributed to debian for years and spent hours of effort to
> > make things better.
>
> Sorry, but I'm assuming you don't mean that Iain, Steve or I haven't
> spent years contributing and uploading to Debian and years and years of
> effort to make Debian better.
>
>
I do not think that is the intent of Chals statement, I believe he is
referencing the caring that he and many others have given the project and
namespace that appears to be being hijacked and at the least invaded.


> > "A long time coming"? Excuse me, but the first thing I've ever heard
> > in all these years is that you and I mean you (not the debian cd team,
> > who supposedly is responsible for this upheaval)
>
> It is the team. Steve has been asking me for this support in
> vmdebootstrap for months and months. Every time there is a release or a
> point release, I get more nagging because he has to struggle with
> fixing live-*.
>
>
I asked this in another response and not to be confused but, does the
debian-cd team speak for all of Debian and its users?


> > shows up from out of
> > the blue claiming that you have the right to do as you please and
> > decide about the future of the debian live team.
>
> Iain is not on his own. This comes from the debian-cd team. Steve has
> been nagging me for vmdebootstrap support to replace live-build since
> about a week after vmdebootstrap arrived in Debian, certainly before
> the Jessie release.
>
>
Seems to be a project idea really centered around vmdebootstrap and maybe a
good basename for a project namesapce.


> > This is, from my point of view, an act of dictatorship and with my
> > authority as a debian user and contributor for years I demand you step
> > down from your position and ask for forgiveness to the debian live
> > team for being so rude, impolite and not worthy of any more of my
> > priceless words and time.
>
> Not going to happen. Just what "authority" is a user meant to have?
>

Hmm, strong words, but all I can say is no users no community.


> Those who do the work in Debian earn the right to make the decisions on
> how that work is done in Debian.
>
>
I understand your statement, but, if those who make the decisions choose
not to consider feedback and/or fail to listen to the community, well this
travels down the road to the definition of dictatorship.


> --
>
>
> Neil Williams
> =============
> http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/
>
>
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