[Vmdebootstrap-devel] Bug#804315:Namespace issue

[Michael .]

I can't answer your questions because I don't know the answers. Hopefully
someone who does know will reply.

On 4 December 2015 at 06:44, <humbert.olivier.1 at free.fr> wrote:

> I do agree and that's a part of my concern.
>
> As a consequence : [http://live.debian.net/] is down now, so :
> - is there any replacement ?
> - where is the online manual ?
>
> Regards,
> Olivier
>
>
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Michael ." <keltoiboy at gmail.com>
> À: "humbert olivier 1" <humbert.olivier.1 at free.fr>
> Cc: leader at debian.org, debian-live at lists.debian.org, "VMDebootstrap List"
> <vmdebootstrap-devel at lists.alioth.debian.org>
> Envoyé: Jeudi 3 Décembre 2015 19:31:35
> Objet: Re: Bug#804315:Namespace issue
>
>
> I think, and this is just my personal opinion, that the folks at Debian
> don't believe it was a big enough issue to worry about the concerns of the
> users.
>
>
>
> On 4 December 2015 at 04:20, < humbert.olivier.1 at free.fr > wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> it's been one month now and as far as I'm concerned, I didn't see any
> proper communication there. When can we expect something to come ?
>
> Regards,
> Olivier
>
>
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "humbert olivier 1" < humbert.olivier.1 at free.fr >
> À: leader at debian.org
> Cc: debian-live at lists.debian.org , "VMDebootstrap List" <
> vmdebootstrap-devel at lists.alioth.debian.org >
> Envoyé: Mardi 10 Novembre 2015 18:31:53
>
>
> Objet: Re: Bug#804315:Namespace issue
>
> +1, there is definitely a lack of communication there which is most likely
> to be considered as disrespectful to a bunch of people involved in
> live-build and live-build related (ie : downstream projects using
> debian-live).
>
> When something appearing as a fork (even if it's said differently) is
> using a level of reasons of this kind :
> "This is not Debian", "this is not pure-debian", "I know I'm going to
> upset people but I'm gonna do it anyway" [1],... without the respect due to
> human-s involved in a project, then this is definitely is *not* sticking to
> the spirit of the debian social contract.
>
> One can understand that anyone is not super-well-skilled with
> communication (this is mostly referring to the recents e-mails from some
> people involved in vmdebootstrap mainly but not limited to since everyone
> here is human and can act this way by mistake) and there is nothing wrong
> with that, we are all *just* human and then are making mistake, but one can
> as well understand that after such a miscommunication problem and this huge
> bunch of messages on the lists [2], there is some communication that needs
> to happen.
>
> Debian is not only about code. Hope to see that coming back soon in proper
> communications *and* decisions.
>
> So, hands down and, please vmdeboostrap people, communicate in an
> "exchanging" fashion.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> [1] funny sentence : if you *know* by advance, ... well then ... don't do
> [2] example : https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/
>
>
>
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Ed Dixon" < eddixonnm at gmail.com >
> À: "chals" < chals at chalsattack.com >, "Michael ." < keltoiboy at gmail.com >
> Cc: leader at debian.org , debian-live at lists.debian.org , "VMDebootstrap
> List" < vmdebootstrap-devel at lists.alioth.debian.org >
> Envoyé: Mardi 10 Novembre 2015 18:10:28
> Objet: Re: Bug#804315:Namespace issue
>
>
> +1 Here Please!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:27 PM chals < chals at chalsattack.com > wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:48 AM, Michael . < keltoiboy at gmail.com > wrote:
> > Good afternoon Neil McGovern.
> >
> > As a user of Debian and user of Debian Live I am personally contacting
> you
> > to express my disappointment over the issue named in the title of this
> > message. The available evidence appears to indicate behind closed door
> > machinations in which only a few people were privy to and those same
> people
> > made decisions which affect not only Debian users but also Debian
> itself. I
> > would, personally, appreciate it if you, as the Debian project leader,
> would
> > look into the events leading up to this decision and opened the
> discussion
> > up to users of Debian Live but also gave the Debian Live team an
> opportunity
> > to state their case.
> >
> > I believe openness is the only way an community can work productively
> yet it
> > seems Debian is slowly becoming a closed court. If this is the case then
> > Debian is a project that has lost its way. I, personally, find this to
> be a
> > great pity.
> >
> > Regards.
> > Michael.
>
> +1 Michael.
>
> --
> chals
> www.chalsattack.com
> chals at chalsattack.com
>
>
>
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