<div dir="ltr">John is your reply to mine suggesting that Daniels message should be shared? If so you have read much more into it than what I said. I think I must be misunderstanding your point and reading it wrong. I think it may be in reply to his message or even this whole mess but even so I still strongly disagree with what you wrote. Can you clarify your point here for us more? <div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:46 AM John D. Hendrickson <<a href="mailto:johnandsara2@cox.net">johnandsara2@cox.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">absolutely rediculous. it's a GPL free source open system<br>
<br>
your supposed to use it in your SPARE time not your business time.<br>
<br>
you are NOT supposed to using it for private development without<br>
funding. perhaps if a proffesor, paid for such things, and have chosen<br>
to do so (ie, GRUB is a good example of that, or "gv" ghost view (orig<br>
and improved) as well). otherwise it is strictly about hobby time.<br>
<br>
(if used for business your totally assume risk, and the world is full of<br>
books and information to tell you that)<br>
<br>
you could accuse "someone" of intently wasting others time by reverse<br>
engineered uploads to cause intentional time/investment losses (ie,<br>
inserting build failures to give others headaches): that's illegal since<br>
the days of Rome. and it's not easy to prove (perhaps intently, perhaps<br>
not).<br>
<br>
you have absolutely no right to complain about "others using your<br>
donated time". zero, none.<br>
<br>
<br>
> usting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that I<br>
"know" some of those guys.<br>
<br>
My interest in Debian pEd Dixon wrote:<br>
> Be sure to share Daniels story via social media using the buttons on his<br>
> blog. I hope it wakes up the entire community to what happens when you<br>
> actually do something right around here! <a href="https://t.co/NwWs9AfW87" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://t.co/NwWs9AfW87</a> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM Richard Newton <<a href="mailto:rich123409@gmail.com" target="_blank">rich123409@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rich123409@gmail.com" target="_blank">rich123409@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I agree, shame on those responsible. I have been using Debian for<br>
> almost 15 years and this is the first time I have been ashamed. Add<br>
> my name to the record "of conscientious objection."<br>
><br>
> RIchard Newton<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Ralph Amissah<br>
> <<a href="mailto:ralph.amissah@gmail.com" target="_blank">ralph.amissah@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ralph.amissah@gmail.com" target="_blank">ralph.amissah@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I post not in anger but sadness, I should not let my voice go<br>
> uncounted.<br>
><br>
> Attached is my note to Daniel of earlier today, before his<br>
> posting of<br>
> "an abrupt end to Debian Live". Debian Live which he said Debian<br>
> should<br>
> have (as a Debian developer) in 2006 and went on to deliver, rather<br>
> nicely (with (and without) help).<br>
><br>
> ----- Forwarded message from Ralph Amissah<br>
> <<a href="mailto:ralph.amissah@gmail.com" target="_blank">ralph.amissah@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ralph.amissah@gmail.com" target="_blank">ralph.amissah@gmail.com</a>>> -----<br>
><br>
> From: Ralph Amissah <<a href="mailto:ralph.amissah@gmail.com" target="_blank">ralph.amissah@gmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ralph.amissah@gmail.com" target="_blank">ralph.amissah@gmail.com</a>>><br>
> To: Daniel Baumann<br>
> Subject: outrageous, thievery<br>
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:28:44 -0500<br>
> Message-ID: <20151109142844.GA28261@niu><br>
> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30)<br>
><br>
> Daniel, (already one of the more active Debian Developers then) I<br>
> remember you telling Debian at Debconf 2006, Mexico about how<br>
> "we"[1]<br>
> needed a live-maker within the project. I said then that I<br>
> thought this<br>
> one of the most important projects within Debian (I was<br>
> surprised that<br>
> there was not more interest and effort offered by others at the<br>
> time,<br>
> though there was some, those so keen now did not seem to pay<br>
> attention<br>
> then). Already then it was clear that it would one day be able<br>
> to and<br>
> possibly be the preferred way to do a Debian install... as I said,<br>
> important. I saw how you contributed to Debian then, and I know<br>
> how you<br>
> have contributed since. Instead of welcoming you and your work,<br>
> there<br>
> seems to have been an effort to isolate you.<br>
><br>
> Well clearly others have seen the fruits of your labor as a<br>
> threat and<br>
> with envy, and ripe for their plucking!<br>
><br>
> Outrageous! Disgusting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that I<br>
> "know" some of those guys.<br>
><br>
> My interest in Debian proper, dropped with your earlier<br>
> treatment, it<br>
> took away the desire to be a closer part of it. At least that<br>
> took out<br>
> much of any idealized notion of the inner workings of it. And<br>
> there have<br>
> been other moves since. I continue to be amazed by the politics of<br>
> groups within Debian. This though has the feel of blatant thievery.<br>
> Chals characterization of a dictatorial coup would seem to be most<br>
> accurate.<br>
><br>
> It has no doubt to do with power (perhaps indirectly money is<br>
> involved<br>
> as well), your work & work area being seen as strategically<br>
> important.<br>
> They do it because they can, & justify it whatever which way<br>
> they will.<br>
><br>
> I am sorry. I feel pretty bruised on your behalf.<br>
><br>
> We have not spoken in a long while. I hope we have the chance to<br>
> talk in<br>
> happier times.<br>
><br>
> Greetings.<br>
> Ralph<br>
><br>
> P.S. We are ok, not much to report.<br>
><br>
> ----- End forwarded message -----<br>
> [edits: addition of footnote, &; s/picking/plucking/]<br>
><br>
> Indeed I am a friend of Daniel and primarily a user of Debian (a<br>
> minor<br>
> contributor of a package (sisu[2]) that I wrote that I am happy<br>
> to have in<br>
> Debian). In other circumstances I would consider myself at least an<br>
> admirer of individuals involved on the other side of this.<br>
> Indeed I (use<br>
> use some of your software daily and) have met a number of you<br>
> over the<br>
> years at a number of Debconfs and have fond memories for example of<br>
> visits to Cambridge when I lived in the U.K. and of being<br>
> "introduced"<br>
> to Debian by Debian insiders.<br>
><br>
> Thanks to all who have stood up for Daniel, he is a wonderful,<br>
> generous,<br>
> (and capable) person. And yes, I do think him "wronged" by "Debian".<br>
> There are others that know him pretty well, who have followed a<br>
> fairly<br>
> long sequence of events who must be outraged as well.<br>
><br>
> Of course I wish Debian well, but I do not see your "handling"<br>
> of Daniel<br>
> as its finest hour. This will no doubt "blow over" as it must<br>
> ultimately<br>
> for the good of the project, but it sticks in my craw as it no doubt<br>
> does others, and there should be some record of conscientious<br>
> objection.<br>
><br>
> Ralph Amissah<br>
><br>
> [1] to be clear, "we" was Debian.<br>
> [2] <a href="http://www.sisudoc.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.sisudoc.org/</a><br>
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