[Yast4debian-devel] IRC summary from 20050424 (raw version)

[Mario Fux]

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Good morning

As an attachment, the IRC meeting summary or "my notes" ;-).

griits
Mario

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yast4debian IRC-meeting 20050424:
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Topics:
1. What to do next?
2. How could we attract more developer?
4. New website (dynamic)?
5. rpm to dpkg/apt transition?
1. Packaging?
6. Forge change?
3. (K)Ubuntu interested in YaST2 for Debian?
7. Module listing (severity)?
0. DuST - Debian Usefull (Userfriendly, Ultimate) Setup Tool
8. yast4debian@linuxtag

Possible task:
1.
- Jaldhar: look into yast2-devtools for package creation
- Jaldhar: debian packages for the yast2-modules
- pikota:  patches finishing
- stano:   See which patches could be added to the next SuSE version

2. 
- foxman:  status reports (slashdot)
- foxman:  debian-devel-announce

3.
- jaldhar:  write a mail to ubuntu-devel (gtk port (not difficult), see ncurses)

4.
- foxman:  See for another server (cms possibility).
- ciberosa: logo design and mambo (cms)
 
5.
Now all in yast2-pkg-bindings

6.
Alternatives: savannah, berlios, sf, forge ?
wigwam ?

7.
- pikota:  make a list with the difficultness of the module

8.
- pikota:  perhaps
- ramon:   perhaps
- jaldhar: debconf5 in finland

Jabber:
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 ciberosa@jabber.org
 ramon_acedo@jabber.org
 pikota@jabber.org

irc-log:
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[23:11:35] <stano> it would be great to have one
[23:11:51] <stano> ATM we plan to add a button order adaptation
[23:11:55] <foxman> Ok, so I think we still wait for 4 minutes and when jaldhar doesn't arrive we begin, ok?
[23:12:04] <pikota> ok
[23:12:06] <CargolNet> sure, is not novell interested in a gtk interface?
[23:12:15] <pikota> stano what module hardware is more easy, ?
[23:12:21] <pikota> alsa?
[23:12:22] <CargolNet> their desktop is gnome as far as i know
[23:12:23] <pikota> maybe?
[23:12:33] <stano> CargoINet: you can choose GNOME or KDE
[23:12:42] <stano> pikota: joystick :)
[23:12:50] <stano> pikota: but it's sound, you are right
[23:12:50] <pikota> ahhh
[23:13:01] <CargolNet> stano: i see, i saw some gnome screenshots out there
[23:13:04] <pikota> i was working in yast2-tune
[23:13:09] <pikota> in hardware information
[23:13:13] <foxman> stano: BTW, are the things you say here for public, all of them?
[23:13:14] <stano> pikota: that one should be rather easy
[23:13:28] <pikota> ok
[23:13:29] <stano> foxman: I will tell you if noot
[23:13:30] <stano> nt
[23:13:32] <stano> not
[23:13:37] <foxman> Ok.
[23:14:09] <foxman> stano: I don't know if the logs (not mine, the server ones) are saved somewhere.
[23:14:11] <stano> pikota: yast2-tune is in fact several different things
[23:14:31] <CargolNet> i'm not sure if jadlhar will be here in the next minutes
[23:14:41] <foxman> CargolNet: Why?
[23:14:45] <pikota> yeah, hardware information and IDE DMA
[23:14:47] <CargolNet> so we may start if you want
[23:14:52] <stano> foxman: OK, I'll ask you to write a mail in that case :)
[23:15:00] <CargolNet> foxma: last time he was like an hour late
[23:15:04] <pikota> hardware information works correctly
[23:15:08] <CargolNet> foxman: do you remember ;-)
[23:15:11] <foxman> CargolNet: Yes, I remember.
[23:15:22] <stano> pikota: it's almost the sysconfig editor, isn't it?
[23:15:27] <CargolNet> foxman: theres no problem i understand we all are so busy
[23:15:39] <pikota> yes
[23:15:41] <pikota> stano
[23:15:45] <foxman> Ok, let's begin. Is it ok for you if I try to coordinate the discussions somehow?
[23:15:56] <stano> foxman: go ahead
[23:15:57] <CargolNet> foxman: sure
[23:16:07] <foxman> Ok, the topics are:
[23:16:13] <foxman> - What to do next?
[23:16:13] <foxman> - How could we attract more developer?
[23:16:13] <foxman> - New website (dynamic)?
[23:16:14] <foxman> - rpm to dpkg/apt transition?
[23:16:14] <foxman> - Packaging?
[23:16:15] <foxman> - Forge change?
[23:16:15] <foxman> - (K)Ubuntu interested in YaST2 for Debian?
[23:16:16] <foxman> - Module listing (severity)?
[23:16:16] <foxman> - DuST
[23:16:17] <foxman> - yast4debian@linuxtag
[23:16:36] <foxman> I think we already began with the first one.
[23:16:41] <CargolNet> wow, there's a lot of stuff
[23:16:58] <CargolNet> ok, why not to review what we have right now
[23:17:01] <foxman> So let's continue. Or better. What is the status of yast4debian now?
[23:17:15] <foxman> ;-)
[23:17:25] <pikota> well
[23:17:43] <pikota> yast2-nfs-client complete, yast2-nfs-server complete
[23:17:48] <CargolNet> we have the first patches, and the first repository
[23:18:07] <foxman> yast2-users?
[23:18:16] <CargolNet> but we have a problem: the lack of packaged patched modules
[23:18:29] <CargolNet> foxman: this one as well
[23:18:33] <stano> maybe you could adapt yast2-devtools for that
[23:18:47] <stano> we have everything in yast2-devtools, so it's easy to pack everything
[23:18:55] <foxman> Would it ease the packages creation?
[23:19:02] <stano> it does for RPM
[23:19:07] <stano> you can do:
[23:19:12] <stano> make -f Makefile.cvs
[23:19:16] <stano> make package-local
[23:19:21] <foxman> BTW: What source do you use: 2.9.x oder 2.10.x?
[23:19:31] <stano> foxman: who?
[23:19:37] <CargolNet> stano: 2.9.x
[23:19:45] <foxman> stano: pikota and CargolNet
[23:19:47] <stano> SLES9 codebase
[23:20:04] <foxman> SLES9 codebase is 2.9.x?
[23:20:05] <stano> that one is pretty stable
[23:20:09] <pikota> 2.9
[23:20:30] <foxman> stano: So what is 2.10.x, the devel version?
[23:20:41] <stano> yes
[23:20:41] <pikota> 2.9.x
[23:20:41] <stano> it's the code in SLES9, NLD and OES
[23:20:41] <pikota> i'm trying yast suse 9.3, but i had problems
[23:20:41] <stano> also the one on forge so far
[23:20:44] <pikota> with yast2-devtools
[23:21:35] <foxman> Ok, so a possible task for the future could be for jaldhar to look into yast2-devtools. Does I see this correct?
[23:21:43] <stano> 2.10.x is 9.2
[23:21:43] <stano> SUSE Linux 9.2
[23:21:43] <stano> we increase minor version for every box
[23:21:43] <stano> pikota: what kind of problems?
[23:21:43] <pikota> well
[23:21:43] <pikota> with c++, code
[23:22:47] <stano> I can help with description what we do in our autoconf and automake support there
[23:22:47] <CargolNet> foxman: well I think debian developers have their automation way with debconf and debutils
[23:22:52] <CargolNet> but we can of course take it into consideration
[23:23:15] <foxman> But we need debian packages for the modules, right?
[23:23:41] <CargolNet> stano: btw is the yast2 documentation available in pdf
[23:23:42] <stano> CargoINet: maybe the skeletons could be also updated for debconf
[23:23:42] <CargolNet> foxman: yes
[23:23:42] <stano> CargoINet: not yet, but it's docbook, so it should not be a problem
[23:23:46] <pikota> stano: sorry it was with yast2-packagamanger
[23:23:49] <CargolNet> stano: and is the docbook xml available somewhere
[23:23:52] <CargolNet> ?
[23:24:11] <stano> CargoINet: no :(
[23:24:19] <pikota> ohh
[23:24:21] <CargolNet> stano: shade...
[23:24:29] <stano> CargoINet: it's generated from the CVS repository
[23:24:43] <stano> CargoINet: we are working on that - it should appear on forge.novell.com
[23:24:51] <foxman> stano: So we need access to this repository ;-).
[23:24:55] <CargolNet> stano: this is great
[23:24:57] <stano> we'd like to move everything from yast2.suse.com to forge
[23:25:43] <pikota> ok
[23:25:48] <stano> pikota: drop me a mail with your problems in yast2-packagemanager
[23:26:25] <foxman> Could you send the mail to the alioth list for documentation reasons, ok?
[23:26:35] <stano> no problem
[23:26:38] <pikota> stano : okis
[23:27:05] <foxman> Are there other things to do next beneath the debian packages?
[23:27:34] <CargolNet> foxman: I think just finish the patches pikota has done
[23:28:06] <CargolNet> foxman: with these two things done we can go ahead
[23:28:15] <foxman> Ok.
[23:28:18] <pikota> stano: what version automake in yast2 of suse 9.3, automake?1.9
[23:28:30]  stano runs RPM
[23:28:43] <stano> pikota: 1.9.1
[23:29:22] <foxman> What about the patches. Is SuSE/Novell (you stano) interested in an integration of them?
[23:29:31] <pikota> stano:thanks
[23:29:47] <stano> foxman: this is a hard issue to solve
[23:30:14] <CargolNet> in my opinion, why suse would need these patches?
[23:30:17] <stano> foxman: they are important, because they show where YaST is SUSE specific
[23:30:30] <foxman> I know. I still think about a configure option --debian-system, but you are the hackers and I believe in you and your opinion.
[23:30:41] <stano> foxman: but we don't have any use for them for our packages in SUSE Linux
[23:30:44] <pikota> like yast2-packamanager
[23:31:07] <pikota> with strong rpm dependencie
[23:31:08] <stano> pikota: let's wait with the package manager topic a bit
[23:31:17] <foxman> I'd like to prevent a yast2 fork.
[23:31:23] <CargolNet> I would like to see some day yast as a universal tool
[23:31:27] <pikota> ok
[23:31:29] <stano> foxman: IMO it should not be a problem to integrate that kind of stuff
[23:31:42] <stano> CargoINet: me too ;)
[23:32:12] <CargolNet> stano: but the thing is if novell/suse are interested, or better, the guys behind yast are interested
[23:32:17] <stano> foxman: if you have patches for the devtools etc, we'd like to take a look and integrate if possible
[23:32:30] <foxman> stano: So do you think it would be possible to work together this close. Even ok for the SuSE/novell deciders?
[23:32:49] <stano> foxman: don't know :(
[23:32:53] <pikota> stano: this is the error on yast2-packamanger
[23:32:55] <stano> foxman: it's fine so far
[23:32:58] <pikota> stano: InstSrcDescr.cc:219: error: `isSet' undeclared (first use this function)
[23:33:22] <foxman> stano: Could you check this?
[23:33:28] <foxman> Or try to check this?
[23:33:40] <stano> foxman: the close cooperation?
[23:33:49] <foxman> Would Klaus Kaempf be the right person to ask?
[23:33:51] <foxman> Yes.
[23:34:11] <stano> foxman: Klaus is head of the YaST project, so yes
[23:34:18] <CargolNet> all: imo we should consider waiting for a more mature status of our project, don't we?
[23:34:56] <foxman> Yes and no. As I said, you code so I believe in your opinion but the sooner the better.
[23:34:57] <stano> For me, if the changes are acceptable and not hard to maintain, it's fine to integrate them
[23:35:25] <CargolNet> I like the way we can cooperate right now having some technical support
[23:35:30] <foxman> You (pikota and CargolNet) have done that great things I don't want to lose them in a new yast2 version.
[23:35:46] <stano> foxman: the patches are available
[23:35:55] <CargolNet> foxman: i don't thing so :-)
[23:36:01] <stano> foxman: yast2 hackers have taken a look at them already
[23:36:02] <foxman> Ok.
[23:36:10] <foxman> Great.
[23:36:25] <CargolNet> foxman: actually pikota is working in trying the lastest yast2 version
[23:36:36] <foxman> Ok.
[23:36:38] <stano> foxman: some of them are rather "unacceptable" - like disabling Details button completely :)
[23:37:11] <stano> I will take a closer look how to integrate them and which one should be possible to apply for the next SUSE Linux
[23:37:11] <CargolNet> stano: the patches are  a 'we just want it to work under debian' version ;-)
[23:37:28] <stano> I can imagine that :)
[23:37:37] <foxman> stano: Ok, great. Thx.
[23:37:59] <CargolNet> next point?
[23:38:07] <foxman> Yes.
[23:38:20] <foxman> How could we attract more developer?
[23:38:39] <CargolNet> foxman: this is not an easy task
[23:39:05] <CargolNet> foxman: you are the specialist in this stuff ;-)
[23:39:09] <foxman> Yes, what about status reports published. I published a first one in some german newssites.
[23:39:45] <pikota> i think , we are not famous, jeje
[23:39:48] <CargolNet> foxman: you have done a great job announcing the project in the debian lists and so on
[23:40:03] <pikota> nobody knows us
[23:40:09] <foxman> What about a status report in debian-devel-announce?
[23:40:18] <stano> pikota: we do here at Novell :)
[23:40:19] <CargolNet> foxman: you could keep on this way
[23:40:30] <pikota> stano: jeje
[23:40:34] <foxman> pikota: So we (I) should (try to) change that.
[23:40:41] <pikota> sure
[23:41:26] <foxman> I'll try to submit something to slashdot too? Any other sites you know could be good?
[23:41:28] <CargolNet> foxman: imo, and going back to the package stuff, having yast packaged and ready to try would atract developers and users
[23:41:49] <stano> CargoINet: good point
[23:41:58] <foxman> Yes, did anyone of you tried the existing packages?
[23:41:58] <CargolNet> all: so jaldhar work is very important
[23:42:08] <CargolNet> yes
[23:42:13] <CargolNet> they are not ready to try
[23:42:18] <CargolNet> to use i mean
[23:42:25] <foxman> What are the problems?
[23:42:31] <CargolNet> some dependencies
[23:42:43] <CargolNet> i post some questions regarding to it
[23:42:56] <CargolNet> I posted I meat
[23:42:58] <CargolNet> meant
[23:43:05] <foxman> Ok. So I try to gently push jaldhar ;-).
[23:43:12] <CargolNet> genau
[23:43:14] <CargolNet> ;-)
[23:43:26] <CargolNet> you are good at this
[23:43:55] <CargolNet> or we should consider looking for another more active developer
[23:44:03] <CargolNet> debian developer I mean
[23:44:42] <foxman> Yes and no. Yes, others are good and more are better and otherwise I don't want to lose jaldhar because of his experience with large packages.
[23:44:43] <CargolNet> and this can lead the meeting to the kubuntu point
[23:44:57] <foxman> Which is a hot one, this point.
[23:45:10] <CargolNet> I understand
[23:45:55] <foxman> Should I ask in the ubuntu-devel mailinglist for interested people in yast4debian?
[23:45:55] <CargolNet> I meant having more help from DDs but this does not exclude anyone
[23:46:02] <foxman> IC.
[23:46:18] <CargolNet> foxman: I thing is not a bad idea
[23:47:00] <foxman> It could be difficult because of the qt frontend and ubuntus gtk favourism?
[23:47:26] <foxman> I thought there was a GTK frontend in planning which would be great for a ubuntu attraction.
[23:47:36] <CargolNet> I know, I was thinking more in kubuntu
[23:47:37] <pikota> maybe tthey want tp work on gtk port ?
[23:47:44] <foxman> With the qt frontend it's "only" the kubuntu part.
[23:48:05] <pikota> or maybe they prefer GST?
[23:48:13] <CargolNet> well, actually the curses work on any of them
[23:48:21] <foxman> stano: You said it wouldn't be that difficult to program a GTK frontend?
[23:48:40] <stano> foxman: if you know GTK, it should not be
[23:48:58] <stano> foxman: in fact, you just need to reimplement several virtual methods :)
[23:49:04] <foxman> pikota: GST = GNOME System Tools?
[23:49:09] <pikota> yes
[23:49:15] <CargolNet> adobe people have ported acrobat reader to gtk so it should be easy ;-)
[23:49:30] <foxman> ;-)
[23:49:57] <CargolNet> ok, what's next?
[23:50:06] <foxman> New website (cms)?
[23:50:11] <CargolNet> it's becoming late...
[23:50:14] <foxman> A dynamic one.
[23:50:38] <foxman> pikota: It was your suggestion, isn't it?
[23:50:52] <pikota> yes
[23:50:58] <pikota> more dynamic web
[23:51:04] <pikota> maybe mambo, drupal, plone
[23:51:26] <foxman> Do you think we have enough manpower for it (content) atm?
[23:52:07] <pikota> i think yes
[23:52:22] <CargolNet> I think that what pikota means is a more attractive web site, isn't it?
[23:52:29] <pikota> too
[23:52:38] <CargolNet> with news and some sections
[23:52:43] <CargolNet> he likes this stuff ;-)
[23:52:55] <pikota> cargolNet:yeah
[23:52:58] <foxman> Ok, so we need another server.
[23:53:10] <foxman> pikota: Could you administrate the cms?
[23:53:20] <CargolNet> pikota: I agree, and a friend of  yours offered to help
[23:53:33] <pikota> great
[23:53:49] <pikota> i think that ramon is better admin than me
[23:54:02] <pikota> i prefer programmer
[23:54:17] <foxman> Ok ;-). Do you know a good server (hosting) or should I look for something?
[23:54:18] <CargolNet> pikota: what about your friend?
[23:54:39] <CargolNet> foxman: we talk about this in a post
[23:54:43] <pikota> is in jabber
[23:54:50] <pikota> call her?
[23:55:03] <CargolNet> pikota: why not
[23:55:07] <foxman> IC.
[23:55:08] <pikota> okis
[23:55:24] <CargolNet> all: I remember is getting late ;-)
[23:55:31] <pikota> jaja
[23:55:34] <foxman> Yes.
[23:55:37] <foxman> Next point?
[23:55:39] <pikota> we are youngs
[23:55:45] <CargolNet> lol
[23:55:53] <foxman> ;-)
[23:56:08] <foxman> - rpm to dpkg/apt transition?
[23:56:10] <CargolNet> pikita: some more than others
[23:56:14] <CargolNet> ;-)
[23:56:32] <foxman> What do you think about this heavy task?
[23:56:36] <pikota> jaja
[23:56:41] <stano> foxman: IMO the needed stuff is to adapt yast2-pkg-bindings (from 2.10.x)
[23:56:57] <stano> in 2.10.x, yast2-core does not depend on the packagemanager anymore
[23:57:12] <stano> the interface is in its own package - yast2-pkg-bindings
[23:57:19] <foxman> Ok.
[23:57:25] <CargolNet> stano: pikota will be happy to deal with this :-)
[23:57:45] <stano> CargoINet: :)
[23:57:46] <foxman> pikota: Did you already took a look into yast2-pkg-bindings?
[23:57:51] <CargolNet> stano: all the rpm stuff is now in yast2-pkg-bindings?
[23:58:02] <foxman> Do we still need a dpkg expert?
[23:58:08] <stano> CargoINet: no, the interface used in YCP
[23:58:25] <CargolNet> stano: i see
[23:58:25]  Ciberosa (~chari@84-122-64-154.onocable.ono.com) has joined channel #yast4debian
[23:58:38] #yast4debian Ciberosa     H ~chari@84-122-64-154.onocable.ono.com (Chari)
[23:58:46] <pikota> here my friend
[23:58:51] <foxman> Morning Ciberosa
[23:58:58] <Ciberosa> hello
[23:59:05] <CargolNet> ciberrosa: hi :-)
[23:59:08] <stano> hi Ciberosa
[23:59:11] <foxman> Ciberosa: So you are our new website administrator ;-)?
[23:59:43] <CargolNet> to introduce ciberosa i'd like to say that she has offered to design a logo and a mambo based website
[23:59:53] <foxman> Great.
[23:59:59] <pikota> and the hosting ?
[00:00:04] <Ciberosa> well, i want help
[00:00:09] <pikota> could be in alioth?
[00:00:22] <pikota> or another server?
[00:00:32] <foxman> pikota: I don't know. I have to ask and see.
[00:00:32] <CargolNet> stano: what about the mysql and php support at forge at novell
[00:00:51] <stano> CargoINet: it's written in php and mysql
[00:01:03] <stano> CargoINet: but MySQL is internal only so far
[00:01:22] <stano> CargoINet: it's based on Xoo-something - cms
[00:01:23] <pikota> ahhh
[00:01:25] <CargolNet> stano: oh, schade... load reasons I guess
[00:01:30] <pikota> xoops
[00:01:31] <foxman> So let's come to the next point ;-): possible migration to novell-forge.
[00:01:33] <stano> yes
[00:01:58] <CargolNet> foxman: reasons like the list problems
[00:02:05] <stano> CargoINet: but admins are very nice there - they would help IM
[00:02:10] <stano> O
[00:02:42] <CargolNet> stano: so do you guys agree on taking a look and give it a try at the novel forge?
[00:02:56] <CargolNet> sorry, last msg for everyone
[00:02:58] <CargolNet> :-)
[00:03:07] <pikota> for me , yes
[00:03:10] <foxman> I think a migration to novells forge is interested but otherwise there is some kind of an image problem, don't you think?
[00:03:28] <CargolNet> foxman: yes that was what wondered me
[00:03:56] <foxman> CargolNet: And you're conclusion? Image problem?
[00:04:08] <CargolNet> in the debian community there is not much... dont know how to say it
[00:04:28] <stano> for us, it's fine if you go with another site
[00:04:33] <CargolNet> you know this feeling against commertial distros
[00:04:43] <stano> all I'd like to see crosslinking
[00:04:47] <pikota> yes, it's true
[00:04:57] <foxman> For me it's not a problem to go the novell (I like the people there, stano and Co) but when we like to attract debian developers...
[00:05:13] <CargolNet> foxman: that's the reason
[00:05:25] <CargolNet> foxman: we need right now colaboration
[00:05:29] <CargolNet> from DDs
[00:05:38] <foxman> Yes. But I think we have a similar problem with the kubuntu things.
[00:05:47] <CargolNet> so we have to play a two sided match
[00:05:48] <pikota> and berilios?
[00:05:56] <foxman> savannah
[00:06:09] <CargolNet> savannah is quiet neutral yes
[00:06:14] <pikota> ok
[00:06:29] <CargolNet> foxman: I agree with the kubuntu point
[00:06:35] <foxman> I don't know. It's not a decision.
[00:07:25] <CargolNet> actually what we want is to improve debian using the paid programmer hours of the yast developers :-)
[00:07:25] <foxman> What about a separate server with a separate domain? For the cms? And use existing things (like forge, savannah, sf or alioth) for the repositories?
[00:08:09] <foxman> CargolNet: You mean Stano should work for debian but be paid by Novell? ;-))
[00:08:36] <CargolNet> foxman: actually he's doing it right now ;-)
[00:08:42] <foxman> lol
[00:08:43] <pikota> xD
[00:09:00] <CargolNet> seriously, back to the hosting
[00:09:02] <stano> CargoINet: not in fact :) I'm at home right now, doing my own FOSS stuff
[00:09:12] <CargolNet> hehe
[00:09:17] <pikota> jeje
[00:09:20] <CargolNet> well extra-hours
[00:09:23] <foxman> Ok, I see what the possibilities of the different sites are and post something in the next weeks about it, ok?
[00:09:41] <CargolNet> hey, as a last chance I have some servers in the university
[00:09:41] <pikota> foxman: ok
[00:09:52] <pikota> foxman: hurry up jejee
[00:09:58] <CargolNet> I may try to decide to use one of them
[00:10:21] <pikota> ramon, it would be great
[00:10:36] <CargolNet> but I may leave one day the college (They are a customer of us)
[00:10:37] <foxman> I know of servers at the local univerity and institut of technology too...
[00:11:01] <foxman> I investigate the situation.
[00:11:20] <CargolNet> foxman: my only worry is that in one year or two I may end my contract with them and have no more access to them...
[00:11:28] <CargolNet> but right now I can use them
[00:11:29] <foxman> The next point (Packaging?) is similar to the first one.
[00:11:46] <foxman> CargolNet: I see the problem.
[00:11:48] <CargolNet> we have already talked about it
[00:11:55] <foxman> Yes.
[00:11:56] <Ciberosa> i have a server in the university too,
[00:11:58] <CargolNet> do we go to the next one?
[00:12:19] <foxman> Next one: Module listing (severity)?
[00:12:21] <CargolNet> Ciberosa: we can do a cluster now :-)
[00:12:50] <CargolNet> pikota: your turn
[00:12:55] <Ciberosa> xD
[00:13:00] <pikota> i think
[00:13:02] <pikota> modules list
[00:13:25] <pikota> well, i know that hardware modules are more hard
[00:13:35] <foxman> And how difficult I would be to port them.
[00:13:55] <pikota> we need more time, or more developers maybe
[00:14:07] <pikota> also, modules services
[00:14:12] <pikota> are more easy
[00:14:18] <foxman> Jaldhar is here.
[00:14:30] <pikota> after yast2-runlevel  ,
[00:14:50]  jaldhar (~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net) has joined channel #yast4debian
[00:15:03] <pikota> i'd try yast2-firewall, yast2-dhcp-server, yast2-smb-client and yast2-smb-server
[00:15:04] <foxman> pikota: Could you make a list about the modules and there difficultness.
[00:15:17] <foxman> pikota: For new developers.
[00:15:19] <foxman> ?
[00:15:27] <stano> pikota: yast2-firewall is based on SuSEFirewall2 - so expect problems there
[00:15:28] <CargolNet> welcome jaldhar
[00:15:43] <stano> pikota: samba and DHCP server should be fine
[00:15:51] <jaldhar> hello, sorry I'm late.  I never get these time zone conversions right!
[00:15:52] <pikota> well, stano
[00:15:53] <stano> jaldhar: hi
[00:15:58] <CargolNet> stano: I have used susefirewall2 for three years now in debian
[00:16:00] <pikota> yast2-dhcp-server use yast2-firewall
[00:16:08] <pikota> to open port in firewall
[00:16:09] <stano> CargoINet: cool
[00:16:17] <CargolNet> stano: imo SuSEFirewall2 is the best firewall out there
[00:16:37] <foxman> jaldhar: We are at the point "module listing (severity)".
[00:16:41] <stano> CargoINet: interesting
[00:16:42] <pikota> foxman: yast2-alsa, would be at begin
[00:16:45] <jaldhar> can you briefly recap but has been discussed already?
[00:16:57] <foxman> jaldhar: Sure.
[00:16:58] <CargolNet> foxman: do you?
[00:17:02] <foxman> Yes.
[00:17:40] <foxman> jaldhar: First point: What to do next? => We need debian packages of the yast2 modules which are ported.
[00:17:43] <pikota> stano: yast2-firewall writes in /etc/sysconfig/SuSEfirewall  iptables rules
[00:17:54] <foxman> So users and developers could test them.
[00:18:23] <stano> pikota: yes
[00:18:36] <stano> pikota - everything is done by SUSEFirewall2 scripts
[00:18:37] <foxman> jaldhar: You could take a look in yast2-devtools for a possible easier creation of the debian packages (yast2 2.10.x)
[00:18:58] <pikota> stano: thanks
[00:19:13] <stano> IIRC SUSE Linux 9.3 is out already - so there are also versions 2.11.x
[00:19:21] <jaldhar> foxman: ok.  I'll have time to work on this tomorrow
[00:19:28] <foxman> jaldhar: Then pikote is finishing his patches and stano will see if some patches could be applying in the next SuSE version.
[00:19:42] <pikota> ok
[00:19:50] <foxman> stano: Not in ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/current/suse/src/
[00:19:56] <foxman> jaldhar: Great.
[00:20:19] <stano> foxman: FTP version is always several weeks later
[00:20:25] <foxman> all: BTW: What are your jabber-ids? (mine: foxman@swissjabber.ch)
[00:20:26] <jaldhar> stano: we should probably stabilize the version we are working with before moing up to a newer version.
[00:20:39] <stano> jaldhar: makes sense
[00:20:55] <CargolNet> all: mine ramon_acedo@jabber.org
[00:21:12] <stano> jaldhar: I will try to point at when something is much better in a newer version
[00:21:13] <pikota> mine pikota@jabber.org
[00:21:21] <jaldhar> foxman: I don't use IMs much.  The places I'm in often block IM usage
[00:21:55] <foxman> jaldhar: 2nd point: new developers: I'll write some status reports (slashdot and co) and perhaps a mail to debian-devel-announce.
[00:22:45] <jaldhar> foxman: non-DDs cannot send to debian-devel-announce, but if you write something up, I'll post it.
[00:22:55] <foxman> jaldhar: Ok, thx.
[00:22:56] <Ciberosa> mine ciberosa@jabber.org
[00:23:30] <jaldhar> foxman: however I think we should wait till we are sure we have basic debian policy compliance before seeking more users
[00:23:43] <foxman> jaldhar: 3rd point: (k)ubuntu: I'll write an email.
[00:24:00] <CargolNet> all: we have also talked about making some packages ready to try before starting to announce it
[00:24:11] <foxman> Ok.
[00:24:37] <foxman> Yes, I think about the mails I write in the next weeks (lot of work).
[00:25:09] <foxman> jaldhar: 4th point: another server (cms, forge): I'll see for the opportunities.
[00:25:42] <foxman> jaldhar: 5h point: rpm to apt/dpkg migration: should be all now in yast2-pkg-bindings
[00:25:58] <jaldhar> foxman: on point 3, in a few weeks (when I can install kubuntu on this laptop) I am going to apply to become a "master of the universe" and at that time I'll make kubuntu versions of the packages
[00:25:59] <foxman> That's it in short.
[00:26:28] <CargolNet> lol
[00:26:35] <foxman> jaldhar: Great. I'm curious about Kubuntu 5.10.
[00:26:49] <jaldhar> foxman: I talked to mako of ubuntu about it.  I also have to get in touch with Johnathan Riddell but haven't done so yet
[00:27:16] <foxman> jaldhar: So you could do the asking about yast2 for kubuntu, right?
[00:27:21] <jaldhar> foxman: ubuntu is still very early in its dev cycle so we have plenty of time
[00:27:43] <foxman> jaldhar: But could need developers to help us.
[00:27:45] <jaldhar> foxman: yes.  Though if you bring it up it would be ok.
[00:27:48] <CargolNet> jaldhar: if they were interested in the project it would be a big step forward
[00:28:12] <foxman> jaldhar: Lets coordinate and see who is earlier.
[00:28:26] <foxman> jaldhar: who is mako?
[00:28:45] <jaldhar> foxman: yeah we could use more developers.  But we want to discourage ordinary users atm
[00:28:52] <CargolNet> foxman: I think he is behind the debian-np, isn't he?
[00:29:12] <foxman> I don't know? What is makos full name?
[00:29:15] <jaldhar> foxman: mako = Benjamin Mako Hill.  He is Canonicals community guy
[00:29:23] <foxman> Ok.
[00:29:38] <foxman> Anything else about the modules listing?
[00:30:07] <pikota> more news in a future xD
[00:30:21] <foxman> Ok.
[00:30:25] <CargolNet> so do we go to the nex one?
[00:30:43] <foxman> Next point: DuST - Debian Usefull (Userfriendly, Ultimate) Setup Tool
[00:30:58] <foxman> And last point: yast4debian at linuxtag2005
[00:31:01] <CargolNet> oh, hot point too
[00:31:22] <CargolNet> I like the proposal :-)
[00:31:34] <pikota> i like the name too
[00:31:35] <jaldhar> sorry, one point back, is there a GTK frontend to yast now?  I think kubuntu would be more recepetive to using it if there was an ubuntu version too
[00:31:55] <foxman> From 22th to the 25th of june in Germany is the Linuxtag2005. Europes largest Linux-Event.
[00:32:07] <foxman> jaldhar: No.
[00:32:12] <CargolNet> theres not gtk front-end
[00:32:15] <jaldhar> ok
[00:32:21] <foxman> But, as stano stated, it would be easy to create one.
[00:32:21] <CargolNet> but you know the ncurses frontend is great
[00:32:44] <pikota> if you like GTK , of course
[00:32:55] <jaldhar> I was just anticipating any possible objections, lets move on
[00:33:17] <foxman> I thought about something like a meeting or hacking sessions of yast4debian at the Linuxtag2005.
[00:33:39] <pikota> when is it?
[00:33:47] <pikota> foxman : when is the linuxtag?
[00:33:49] <foxman> 22th to 25th of june.
[00:33:55] <jaldhar> hopefully by then we will have a pretty full version to demo
[00:33:59] <CargolNet> foxman: if I finish my end-of-college project before i'll try to be there :-)
[00:34:00] <pikota> foxman: thanks,
[00:34:21] <stano> do you plan a booth there?
[00:34:45] <stano> Maybe some YaST developers from Nurnberg would stop by
[00:34:46] <foxman> I'll be there because I'll have a presentation about free software in education and teaching and will be at the fsfe booth.
[00:34:46] <jaldhar> stano: debian always have a booth there
[00:35:10] <foxman> stano: I don't plan a booth.
[00:35:14] <stano> OK
[00:35:32] <foxman> We could be at the debian or at the suse or at the ... booth.
[00:35:44] <foxman> Or go to another room (or restaurant ;-)).
[00:35:48] <stano> :)
[00:35:59] <stano> I definitely can't be there :(
[00:36:26] <foxman> It's a pity.
[00:36:28] <jaldhar> I will not be able to attend Linuxtag but I'm going to debconf5 in Finland
[00:36:29] <CargolNet> foxman: I'll try I promise it :-)
[00:36:33] <jaldhar> july 10-17
[00:36:49] <jaldhar> anyone going?
[00:36:50] <foxman> jaldhar: Another interesting date.
[00:36:55] <pikota> i'll try too,
[00:37:01] <foxman> I have to see what my budget says.
[00:37:03] <CargolNet> jaldhar: no, not enough money
[00:37:29] <foxman> pikota: debconf5 or linxtag2005 (linuxtag = linuxday) or both?
[00:37:55] <pikota> ramon , talks for me , he choose
[00:37:57] <pikota> jajaja
[00:37:57] <CargolNet> I hope next year my company will pay me all of these meetings :-)
[00:38:07] <CargolNet> lol
[00:38:10] <foxman> ;-)
[00:38:18] <jaldhar> CargolNet: understood.  They do actually have some money for sponsorship I don't know if it is too late to apply
[00:38:42] <jaldhar> CargolNet: might be worth a try.  http://www.debian.org/
[00:38:53] <CargolNet> jaldhar: then I'll give it try...
[00:38:55] <CargolNet> thanks :-)
[00:38:56] <pikota> stano: one question, can i ?
[00:39:07] <stano> pikota: ?
[00:39:25] <pikota> stano: in new yast
[00:39:42] <pikota> stano: yast2-core don't have dependecies with yast2-packagamanager?
[00:39:54] <pikota> stano: is right?
[00:39:55] <stano> pikota: yes
[00:40:16] <pikota> stano: i will try yast2-core then
[00:40:26] <CargolNet> pikota: you are anxious to try it ;-)
[00:40:27] <stano> pikota: take a look at 2.10.x
[00:40:42] <stano> pikota: it's already there (IIRC)
[00:40:53] <pikota> stano : i think about yast2. 2.11
[00:40:55] <stano> pikota: it uses Y2PluginComponent for providing namespaces
[00:41:06] <foxman> 2.10.x is on the ftp servers.
[00:41:07] <pikota> stano: ok
[00:41:08] <stano> pikota: 2.11.x definitely implements that
[00:41:39] <pikota> stano: thanks
[00:41:47] <foxman> Ok, is there anything else about the items of our list?
[00:42:04] <foxman> Otherwise I close the official part of the meeting.
[00:42:18] <CargolNet> it's ok
[00:42:21] <jaldhar> I think thats it for now
[00:42:22] <pikota> ok
[00:42:27] <CargolNet> it's late
[00:42:30] <foxman> I want to thank you all for your great work and the time your spending for this projects.
[00:42:46] <foxman> I'll write a summary and post the log of the irc meeting.
[00:42:56] <pikota> foxman: ok
[00:43:00] <foxman> In the next days or weeks (asap).
[00:43:02] <pikota> thanks at all
[00:43:03] <CargolNet> foxman: no problem, we all want to see yast in debian soon
[00:43:25] <stano> thanks for invitation
[00:43:26] <foxman> Let's configure etch with YaST2...
[00:43:31] <pikota> jejee
[00:43:34] <foxman> stano: Thx for coming.
[00:43:45] <pikota> stano: thanks for you colaboration
[00:43:50] <stano> happy to be here
[00:43:55] <CargolNet> and for answering the posts to the list :-)
[00:44:05] <stano> CargoINet: that's the easiest part :)
[00:44:10] <foxman> lol
[00:44:26] <CargolNet> stano: i can't find myself the time for it... not so easy!
[00:44:55] <pikota> xD, lot of work jeje
[00:45:08] <CargolNet> jaldhar: you have now one of the most important parts to do
[00:45:41] <jaldhar> CargolNet: I'm basically finished with my packages for sarge.  So I ope to have more time for it now
[00:45:55] <CargolNet> jaldhar: do you think we could automate packaging so that any of us non-dd could do it ourselves?
[00:46:55] <jaldhar> CargolNet: I think for most of the packages the debianization should be almost the same so I'll try and write up some instructions
[00:47:17] <jaldhar> CargolNet: you will need to know the basics of making a package first of course
[00:47:24] <CargolNet> jaldhar: my checkinstall instructions are so shameful :-)
[00:48:03] <CargolNet> jaldhar: if you could drop some lines about it
[00:48:11] <jaldhar> CargolNet: no I think it was great.  Good instructions are so helpful for people getting started
[00:49:03] <CargolNet> jaldhar: well, but doing the debian way is much more smart
[00:49:28] <CargolNet> anyway, time to go to bed for me
[00:49:41] <stano> same for me
[00:49:47] <CargolNet> I have enjoyed talking to you guys (and girl! :-)
[00:49:56] <pikota> jeje
[00:49:58] <pikota> me too
[00:50:01] <Ciberosa> :-)
[00:50:03] <stano> me too
[00:50:07] <jaldhar> which one of us is a girl.  Just wondering
[00:50:08] <Ciberosa> me too
[00:50:14] <stano> see you on the mailing list!
[00:50:15] <pikota> Ciberosa
[00:50:19] <CargolNet> maybe the next meeting could be earlier
[00:50:23] <Ciberosa> i'm a girl
[00:50:24] <pikota> okis
[00:50:29] <CargolNet> earlier in europe I mean
[00:50:52] <CargolNet> well, what a silly thing i have just said
[00:51:00] <CargolNet> you know what I mean
[00:51:12] <foxman> Yes ;-).
[00:51:15] <foxman> I'm really tired and have to get up in less then 6 hours. Good night.
[00:51:29] <CargolNet> good night all
[00:51:29] <pikota> good night foxman
[00:51:34] <stano> bye
[00:51:36] <Ciberosa> good night
[00:51:37] <CargolNet> good hacking all
[00:51:40] <foxman> Bye.
[00:51:46] <pikota> Bye
[00:51:52] <Ciberosa> bye
[00:51:57]  stano has left channel #yast4debian
[00:52:00] <jaldhar> well goodnight everyone.  I don't mind if we have earlier meetings.
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