OT: On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 12:05 -0400, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> 	Including the OT list in the Reply, but seeing as I'm not subscribed to 
> it, it may not go.
> 
> On 03/10/2014 11:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 11:15 -0400, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
> >> It's attitudes like that that keep people away from Debian &
> >> Linux.
> >
> > Nonsense, we are humans and have experiences with other humans and most
> > of us likely are older than 8 years. Fortunately Andrei renamed the
> > subject. For somebody who needs help, it's terrible to read a discussion
> > that doesn't help her/him.
> 
> 	And it's worse when the people who've been there a while are demeaning 
> in the name of help.
> 
> >  The discussion about nothing is a serious
> > issue. I replied to Stan and Jerry off-list (not a wise decision, to be
> > quiet is much wiser)
> 
> 	Depends on the situation, sometimes, yes.
> 
> > and I posted the link to the OT list. People stay
> > away from Linux, if they need help and much more than 50% of the replies
> > are about the wrong tone of voice, broken threads etc.. Before they
> > could filter messages, they need to read all that irrelevant carp.
> 	
> 	A vast majority of the reasons I've seen, on all of the mailing list 
> I've been on - vast majority cite the attitude of existing linux users 
> as the biggest turn-off, deterrent, reason for leaving.
> 
> > Errare humanum est! Everybody of us makes mistakes, no need to beat a
> > dead horse.
> >
> > The OP get a lot of help, Stan's mail might be help or not, it doesn't
> > matter, the much longer discussion about Stan's tone of voice is
> > counterproductive. Even if Stan's tone of voice should be wrong and his
> > tone of voice perhaps isn't wrong, but even if it would be wrong, it was
> > just one email among several emails that were ok. The discussion about
> > "a problem" were "no problem" is, makes it bad.
> >
> > 2 cents,
> > Ralf

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