On what is helpful and what is not [was: Re: Wifi]

[Dave Woyciesjes]

	Including the OT list in the Reply, but seeing as I'm not subscribed to 
it, it may not go.

On 03/10/2014 11:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-03-10 at 11:15 -0400, Dave Woyciesjes wrote:
>> It's attitudes like that that keep people away from Debian &
>> Linux.
>
> Nonsense, we are humans and have experiences with other humans and most
> of us likely are older than 8 years. Fortunately Andrei renamed the
> subject. For somebody who needs help, it's terrible to read a discussion
> that doesn't help her/him.

	And it's worse when the people who've been there a while are demeaning 
in the name of help.

>  The discussion about nothing is a serious
> issue. I replied to Stan and Jerry off-list (not a wise decision, to be
> quiet is much wiser)

	Depends on the situation, sometimes, yes.

> and I posted the link to the OT list. People stay
> away from Linux, if they need help and much more than 50% of the replies
> are about the wrong tone of voice, broken threads etc.. Before they
> could filter messages, they need to read all that irrelevant carp.
	
	A vast majority of the reasons I've seen, on all of the mailing list 
I've been on - vast majority cite the attitude of existing linux users 
as the biggest turn-off, deterrent, reason for leaving.

> Errare humanum est! Everybody of us makes mistakes, no need to beat a
> dead horse.
>
> The OP get a lot of help, Stan's mail might be help or not, it doesn't
> matter, the much longer discussion about Stan's tone of voice is
> counterproductive. Even if Stan's tone of voice should be wrong and his
> tone of voice perhaps isn't wrong, but even if it would be wrong, it was
> just one email among several emails that were ok. The discussion about
> "a problem" were "no problem" is, makes it bad.
>
> 2 cents,
> Ralf
>


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