Fwd: [Debian-hebrew-common] libhdate uploaded

[Lior Kaplan]

Baruch, can we CDD the net install ? The last ones are set to install
sarge. Plus, that's much less download/upload while making it.

We have one guy who said he is willing to do testing for us. Plus I hope
to start testing with qemu.

OO.org 2 won't enter testing soon, it waits for the gcc4 to enter first
(which depends on binutils which is buggy and won't enter). Anyway - we
should not maintain package which are already part of debian and have
official maintainer.

Kobi - can you make the tutorial (text, not flash) ?

kobi zamir wrote:
> This is what I think about it now:
> 
> !. We should push debian-hebrew install where we can, it's the only way
> we will get feedback from newbies (target audience) about it.
> 
> 2. Make install disk full testing, it should install the current
> testing version packages,
> user should not have to do apt-get upgrade to get updated.
> 
> 3. Know that we currently do not have OOo2 (It's important for Hebrew
> users migrating from windows) and make a tutorial on how to install
> it. so if users ask about it we can give them a prepared answer.
> 
> Kobi
> 
> On 12/3/05, Baruch Even <baruch at ev-en.org> wrote:
> 
>>kobi zamir wrote:
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I've just installed an ubuntu to a family member :(, because I did not
>>>want to install
>>>a debian stable (old desktop, no OOo2) and did not want to have a
>>>headache explaining why some things do not work with testing/unstable
>>>- is testing usable for newbies ?
>>
>>IMO testing is definitely usable, a few peoples here are new to Linux
>>and use a Debian Testing machine. They don't feel its outdated because
>>they don't care. Things work for them and they are more into having
>>things work for them rather than having the latest version of Gnome.
>>
>>
>>>more questions:
>>>1. are we basing the install on stable or testing ?, packages in the
>>>disk are stable, repository is set to testing ?
>>
>>The CDD framework did not support testing based install CDs, so the
>>install CD was based on Sarge. In the future I hope to have this based
>>on testing.
>>
>>apt sources is set to testing so the user will upgrade to testing after
>>the initial install. This is our way to guarantee that his system will
>>be too much out of date.
>>
>>
>>>2. needed (hebrew) packages not in testing, do we add out repository ?
>>
>>We need to add them to unstable from which they will trickle to testing,
>>otherwise we'll need to maintain a repository for unstable and a
>>repository for testing. We don't have enough manpower for that.
>>
>>
>>>3. needed (non-hebrew) packages are not in testing - what to do ?
>>>  a. openoffice2 (hebrew support is much better in this version)
>>>  b. firefox 1.5 (we can't install linux without this app)
>>
>>testing has firefox 1.x and it should be good enough, we can install
>>linux without ff 1.5. ff 1.5 will come to unstable soon and to testing
>>from there. I'm not going to maintain a special package for
>>Debian-Hebrew. The downside of being a sub-project of Debian is that we
>>depend on Debian for the larger packages, the upside is that we don't
>>need tens of volunteers to keep a sane system relatively up to date.
>>
>>OOo2 will also trickle to testing soon.
>>
>>We do nothing since we simply can't. I do not recommend unstable for new
>>users, unless it's an install done by someone who knows how to solve
>>problems and then the user will not normally upgrade.
>>
>>
>>>4. can we suggest installing debian-hebrew at install-parties ? its
>>>the welcome to linux season.
>>
>>We can suggest, I did try, but most people are of the mindset that
>>Debian is not for a newbie. I'm not interested in arguing about this things.
>>
>>Baruch
>>
>>
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Lior Kaplan
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