[Neurodebian-devel] No commit permissions for DDs :-(

[Andreas Tille]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 01:57:35PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2012, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > No, I'm not - so CC is welcome (in this specific case).  I should have
> > asked for this.
> 
> will CC from now on

Thanks.
 
> > for another package.  Simply seek for "Published-*" fields in the
> > imaging task and move this to a debian/upstream file. :-)
> 
> fair enough -- I promise to (slowly) follow your advise! ;)

I will do in parallel if I stumble upon it.
 
> sure.  I guess I am seeking for the tool/API which would just spit
> out/return a bibtex entry.  Then it could be used in various use-cases,
> e.g. [BIB] link for such references on task pages,  old dbib_collect [1]
> could use it too, ... 
> 
> [1]
> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-exppsy/debian-bibliography.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=tools/dbib_collect

I remember you previosely pointed to this.
 
> > My idea was to make the BibTeX output verbose in any case by enclosing
> > the values into {{}}.
> 
> hm, I wonder if there are corner cases (e.g. reference styles etc)
> where full-line enclosure would be undesirable due to enforcing given
> capitalization on the whole line... but I guess should be ok in majority
> of the cases.

I'd like to stall this issue until such an issue might pop up in reality.
 
> Looking back at
> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/debian-med/trunk/packages/rostlab/disulfinder/trunk/debian/upstream?revision=9492&view=markup
> example
> 
> - Author: A. Ceroni, P. Frasconi, A. Passerini and A. Vullo
> 
>   is not acceptable for bibtex since 'and' must be used as a separator,
>   not commas, right?

Hmmmm, it was along time ago when I was dealing a lot with BibTeX but
you might be correct here.  Would you volunteer to check thoroughly and
add this to the Wiki[1].  I'm really interested in unifying the authors
specification but we should fix this first in the Wiki and than adapt
Debian upstream files.
 
> - are we following a convention to shorten first names and list them
>   first, i.e. in "F. Last" format

We do not yet have such a convention but I see a big need for it.
Please do not hesitate to specify something in the Wiki and I will add
some checks in the parser which will issue warnings.  Later we should
invent a lintian check for debian/upstream files.
 
> - should we always use abbreviated first name or allow full first names?

I'm in favour of always giving the full names if available.  I do not
like abbreviations in general and IMHO BibTeX styles are clever enough
to do the abbreviations on their own - so more information should be
prefered, but it is not always easy to get.
 
> - is it allowed to use comma notation for the names -- some times it
>   might simply be necessary as in "von Last, Jr, First" case ?

Lets settle to a BibTeX friendly Syntax, declare it explicitely in the
Wiki and implement checks to enable fixing entries that do not fit.

Kind regards

        Andreas.
 

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata 

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