[Pkg-mc-devel] launchpad noise?

[Yury V. Zaytsev]

On Tue, 2012-03-13 at 07:00 +1100, Dmitry Smirnov wrote:

> But for the only maintainer it makes even less sense to use the public
> mail list for working with both bug trackers combined.

If a single person (or a team) is working on both at the same time it
does make a lot of sense to aggregate the two in a single stream.

> Trouble here, is that you're talking not about your personal mailbox
> but about the public mail list. 

This doesn't change anything, since the other subscribers of this list
were either happy with this policy so far, or just didn't care enough to
object to it.

> I could, but that's not just about me. This traffic is polluting mail list 
> archive. To my knowledge this is the only Debian mail list with such problem.

I don't see how it's polluting the archive. This traffic is of direct
relevance to Debian packaging and it doesn't impair the functioning of
the archive in any way.

> I would advise you to make Ubuntu-specific mail list and subscribe there.

I can just as well subscribe with my personal Launchpad account, which I
probably would have done back then, but there was some problem with that
of which I can't remember anymore and others were also interested in
tracking of what's going on at the Ubuntu side of things.

> > Quite a lot, like in bugs in the Debian packaging that haven't been
> > reported by Debian users.
> 
> And they should have been properly forwarded using bug tracker.
>  ...
> And yet we're not using the proper channel for such information.
> This can hardly excuse not using bug tracker.

In a perfect world: maybe.

The reality is that this was not happening, is not happening, and is not
going to happen anytime soon. Just as not much people care about
forwarding Debian bugs upstream, for which reason BTS looks the way it
does.

> > I'd rather keep it the way it is, then at some point I have the option
> > of working through the whole batch while on the plane / train etc.
> 
> This is plain wrong because you're arguing for using Debian resource at your 
> personal convenience for doing your work for Ubuntu.

Again, let's not mis-represent it as if there were some Ubuntu people to
abuse those Debian mailing lists to the point of making them unusable,
or use of common resources for personal convenience and blah-blah-blah.

Aggregating information helps both Debian and Ubuntu packaging, and
either I have to do it at pkg-mc-devel level, which made total sense in
the past, or at the level of my personal mailbox. 

I get it that you don't care about bugs in Ubuntu and want them to
forward things that are relevant to Debian manually (even though most of
them are) and would rather miss genuine bug reports which are never
going to be forwarded to Debian, rather than skim through possibly
unrelated mails.

This is your *personal* view of the problem. Other subscribers, for
instance, have also supported the view that in fact, it is of more help
than a nuisance (Andreas).

Since you are the only person actively working on the package right now,
I will remove the subscription at Launchpad for the time being, but as I
said, I find your arguments so far unconvincing and feel that this
decision will do more harm than good in the long run.

-- 
Sincerely yours,
Yury V. Zaytsev