[Pkg-x2go-devel] Getting things started with x2goclient

[John A. Sullivan III]

On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 00:57 +0100, Mike Gabriel wrote:
> Dear Reinhard,
> 
> On Mo 31 Jan 2011 22:03:46 CET Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I noticed that this list has been setup for a couple of days now without
> > any traffic.
> 
> For me it is a normal practice to give people some time to subscribe  
> on to a mailing list before the discussion really starts. It's like  
> waiting for convention attendees to arrive. Only then the talking can  
> start.
> 
> > So in order to get some action here, I propose to first
> > start working on integrating the x2goclient package in debian. Its
> > dependencies nxproxy, nxcomp and nxcompext are already in debian,
> > although they are still at upstream version 3.2 -- x2go uses the
> > "current" upstream versions 3.4. I've added Matthew Johnson, their
> > maintainer to the CC field. Matthew, what are plans on upgrading these
> > packages to 3.4? Would you mind moving them to the collab-maint git
> > repository?
> >
> > Until this is decided, I decided to cleanup my local x2goclient package
> > a bit and upload it here:
> >
> > http://people.debian.org/~siretart/x2go/
> >
> > Jonas, if you feel like it, feel free to convert it to CDBS and/or
> > import it to collab-maint. I think it is a decent starting point.
> >
> >
> > Next steps (in this order, IMO) to get a working x2goserver:
> >
> >  - check of nxcomp and nxproxy really require upgrading to version 3.4
> >    (but I guess they do); if yes, do so.
> >
> >  - package nxcompext and nxcompshad, seems we don't have that in debian.
> >    starting points may or may not be found here:
> >
> >    http://i4git.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/nxcompext.git/
> >    http://i4git.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/nxcompshad.git/
> >
> >  - package nxagent. Starting point may or may not be again next to the
> >    above mentioned repositores. This is more or less a full source copy
> >    of the old X11R6 source tree, with modifications to build system and
> >    some libraries, from which a modified Xnest is built. I've hacked up
> >    the build system to have stuff built against system libraries here:
> >
> >    http://i4git.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/x2goagent.git/
> >
> >  - package x2goserver (much easier than nxagent, more a bunch of perl
> >    scripts. Some of then need review and revisions.
> >
> > Have fun!
> 
> Most of your proposals are partly already in discussion and in progress.
> 
> Unfortunately, your conveyed attitude in this mail again feels to me  
> like taking over the X2go project. Similar to Moritz's posting (same  
> university institute/project context) on x2go-dev:
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.x2go.devel/1392/match=moritz+struebe
> 
> Please talk to Heinz and Alex first and then act!!! Especially if you  
> do it on behalf of the X2go project.
> 
> There is an official upstream Git for X2go packages now. Debian (and  
> other distro) packages should be retrieved from the official Git.
> 
> We also have received yours and Moritz's patches via mail and we will  
> take a look at them. Thanks for that. We will include your patch  
> requests as Enhancement request tickets into our not-yet-ready  
> bugtracker.
> 
> Main part is: we (Heinz, Alex, Moritz, possibly you and possibly me)  
> have to talk in person / on the phone to discuss future project  
> cooperation. A community project is mainly about community and then  
> about productivity. This is my very personal opinion, community work  
> is one of _the_ valuable aspects of free software development. If we  
> cannot find a consensus based communication within the developers'  
> community of X2go, our common work for X2go will not be very fertile.
> 
> So to my point of view, before you can start acting in the name of the  
> X2go project (like you do in this mail) all of the above named persons  
> will have to talk. Also any other steps should be discussed first and  
> then consensus-based performed. Please refer to Angela's posting on  
> the x2go-dev mailing list:
> http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.x2go.devel/1396
> 
> I also want to stress that I am looking forward to more man power  
> being gathered around the X2go project context. Also this very process  
> we go through right now I consider as pretty normal during team  
> building phases. Teams have to go through disagreements, arguments,  
> even quarrels before the individuals in the team can act efficiently  
> and harmoniously. Thus, everything that happens right now is pretty  
> normal and has a purpose. Let's stick to that!!!
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I, too, am thrilled to see more involvement.  Mike, I sincerely
appreciate your perspective that working through all these issues is not
a problem but rather a part of the process.  However, might I suggest
that the more corrective statements be processed privately, off-list.  I
don't suspect anyone's intent and working through things is indeed part
of the process but it is also possible for others to misunderstand
public statements, take them the wrong way, be offended - all much
easier to handle off list.  I know if I were Reinhardt, I'd feel like
someone just smacked me down for trying to help.  Just a suggestion from
someone who has had more management experience preserving peace than
development experience (as anyone who reads my code can readily tell!).
Thanks to all - John