[Pkg-x2go-devel] Getting things started with x2goclient

[Mike Gabriel]

Dear Reinhard,

On Mo 31 Jan 2011 22:03:46 CET Reinhard Tartler wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I noticed that this list has been setup for a couple of days now without
> any traffic.

For me it is a normal practice to give people some time to subscribe  
on to a mailing list before the discussion really starts. It's like  
waiting for convention attendees to arrive. Only then the talking can  
start.

> So in order to get some action here, I propose to first
> start working on integrating the x2goclient package in debian. Its
> dependencies nxproxy, nxcomp and nxcompext are already in debian,
> although they are still at upstream version 3.2 -- x2go uses the
> "current" upstream versions 3.4. I've added Matthew Johnson, their
> maintainer to the CC field. Matthew, what are plans on upgrading these
> packages to 3.4? Would you mind moving them to the collab-maint git
> repository?
>
> Until this is decided, I decided to cleanup my local x2goclient package
> a bit and upload it here:
>
> http://people.debian.org/~siretart/x2go/
>
> Jonas, if you feel like it, feel free to convert it to CDBS and/or
> import it to collab-maint. I think it is a decent starting point.
>
>
> Next steps (in this order, IMO) to get a working x2goserver:
>
>  - check of nxcomp and nxproxy really require upgrading to version 3.4
>    (but I guess they do); if yes, do so.
>
>  - package nxcompext and nxcompshad, seems we don't have that in debian.
>    starting points may or may not be found here:
>
>    http://i4git.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/nxcompext.git/
>    http://i4git.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/nxcompshad.git/
>
>  - package nxagent. Starting point may or may not be again next to the
>    above mentioned repositores. This is more or less a full source copy
>    of the old X11R6 source tree, with modifications to build system and
>    some libraries, from which a modified Xnest is built. I've hacked up
>    the build system to have stuff built against system libraries here:
>
>    http://i4git.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/x2goagent.git/
>
>  - package x2goserver (much easier than nxagent, more a bunch of perl
>    scripts. Some of then need review and revisions.
>
> Have fun!

Most of your proposals are partly already in discussion and in progress.

Unfortunately, your conveyed attitude in this mail again feels to me  
like taking over the X2go project. Similar to Moritz's posting (same  
university institute/project context) on x2go-dev:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.x2go.devel/1392/match=moritz+struebe

Please talk to Heinz and Alex first and then act!!! Especially if you  
do it on behalf of the X2go project.

There is an official upstream Git for X2go packages now. Debian (and  
other distro) packages should be retrieved from the official Git.

We also have received yours and Moritz's patches via mail and we will  
take a look at them. Thanks for that. We will include your patch  
requests as Enhancement request tickets into our not-yet-ready  
bugtracker.

Main part is: we (Heinz, Alex, Moritz, possibly you and possibly me)  
have to talk in person / on the phone to discuss future project  
cooperation. A community project is mainly about community and then  
about productivity. This is my very personal opinion, community work  
is one of _the_ valuable aspects of free software development. If we  
cannot find a consensus based communication within the developers'  
community of X2go, our common work for X2go will not be very fertile.

So to my point of view, before you can start acting in the name of the  
X2go project (like you do in this mail) all of the above named persons  
will have to talk. Also any other steps should be discussed first and  
then consensus-based performed. Please refer to Angela's posting on  
the x2go-dev mailing list:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.terminal-server.x2go.devel/1396

I also want to stress that I am looking forward to more man power  
being gathered around the X2go project context. Also this very process  
we go through right now I consider as pretty normal during team  
building phases. Teams have to go through disagreements, arguments,  
even quarrels before the individuals in the team can act efficiently  
and harmoniously. Thus, everything that happens right now is pretty  
normal and has a purpose. Let's stick to that!!!

Greets,
Mike



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