[Pkg-xfce-devel] Bug#760778: Bug#760778: xfce4-session: Please depend on gnome-orca

Samuel Thibault sthibault at debian.org
Sun Sep 7 19:53:42 UTC 2014

Yves-Alexis Perez, le Sun 07 Sep 2014 21:15:19 +0200, a écrit :
> On dim., 2014-09-07 at 21:13 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Well, for a blind user, it *is*!...
> Sure, but not everyone's blind.

And not everyone speaks all languages on earth, yet we install all
language files by default, which really eats a lot of disk by default,
just because we can't know when one will need it because a random user
happens to need it.  That is the same with accessibility.

> I sympathise with a11y, but forcing gnome-orca on everyone won't
> happen.

Well, that is actually precisely our goal: to have gnome-orca installed
on all systems, ready to be started in case one needs it.

There is this very simple scenario: you welcome a blind guest at home,
and he'd like to use the home computer. Currently, with XFCE, you'd
click on "Enable assistive technologies", and unlog/relog. But nothing
happens, no speech. You then have to connect to the Internet (who knows
whether it works that day), look for why this is not working, eventually
understand that you need to install the gnome-orca package, install it,
etc. and at last it works.

Another typical scenario is a public library with computers: there is
very little hope that the user will manage to find out how to contact
the sysadmin to get gnome-orca installed (and there is very little hope
that the sysadmin will have already thought about installing it), so he
will just not be able to use the computer at all.

Yes, real accessibility means being available, ready to be enabled. Any
barrier is really a killing pain for disabled people.

> > Anyhow, what do you propose to fix the accessibility of XFCE? Adding
> > the
> > dependency to task-xfce-desktop? (Cc-ed)
> That's exactly the same thing. Just create an a11y subtask or whatever,
> bringing everything needed?

That won't change the fact that we'll want to always install it by
default (thus at least via a Recommends)

Just to bring the figure in the discussion: from a base system,
installing task-xfce-desktop without Orca uses 1596MiB. Adding Orca
brings 1658MiB, so that's just a 3% increase.


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