[Utnubu-discuss] ubuntu - debian cooperation

[Reinhard Tartler]

Joachim Breitner <mail at joachim-breitner.de> writes:

> Am Samstag, den 13.01.2007, 14:13 +0100 schrieb Michael Banck:
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2007 at 01:27:26PM +0100, Steffen Joeris wrote:
>> > I browsed a bit through the ubuntu wiki and saw that the MOTUs always get 
>> > pointed to the debian-mentors@ list and maybe it would be better to point 
>> > them to this list here
>> 
>> I think that's a good idea.
>
> I’m not sure. Are there enough people on the utnubu list that are
> actually ready to help and sponsor MOTUs? We had a discussion whether
> the list is dead before, so I’m not sure. 

The one thing is having enough DDs for sponsoring. The other thing is if
the supplier of the package is actually willing to maintain the package
in debian as well.

I have the impression that most NEW packages in ubuntu aren't packaged
by MOTUs, but by new users, who want to contribute their software, or
software they found somewhere. Some of them (I don't have numbers, but I
think around 30-50%) become MOTU later. In ubuntu, we call the MOTU
aspirants 'MOTU hopefulls' until they get added to the ubuntu-dev
launchpad group (at which point they can upload directly).

In many cases I have the impression that the supplier makes the package
'good enough' for ubuntu, but isn't interested in any objections a DD
might have. So the package ends up in ubuntu/universe, where it gets
casually team maintenance only.

I'm not sure how to proceed from here. I think Lucas made a very good
step with monitoring what packages are in ubuntu but not in Debian.
Perhaps we can enhance that list "wiki like" with comments why the
package is not in debian. The list should be updated automatically, with
new entries marked "UNCHECKED". I imagine the following possible
comments:

 * UNCHECKED
 * ITP for debian:
 * license issues
 * foo at debian.org is working on it
 * REMOVED in DEBIAN

This is basically moving Steffen's Idea of using this mailing list for
tracking the packages to using an auto-updated wiki-like web application
for tracking these packages.

Hmm. I think I need to further think about this and find some time to
actually start coding. Might be a first good test for turbogears or
python-django, which I wanted to look at anyways ;)

-- 
Gruesse/greetings,
Reinhard Tartler, KeyID 945348A4
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