[Vmdebootstrap-devel] [ralph.amissah at gmail.com: outrageous, thievery]

[John D. Hendrickson]

absolutely rediculous.  it's a GPL free source open system

your supposed to use it in your SPARE time not your business time.

you are NOT supposed to using it for private development without 
funding.  perhaps if a proffesor, paid for such things, and have chosen 
to do so (ie, GRUB is a good example of that, or "gv" ghost view (orig 
and improved) as well).  otherwise it is strictly about hobby time.

(if used for business your totally assume risk, and the world is full of 
books and information to tell you that)

you could accuse "someone" of intently wasting others time by reverse 
engineered uploads to cause intentional time/investment losses (ie, 
inserting build failures to give others headaches): that's illegal since 
the days of Rome.  and it's not easy to prove (perhaps intently, perhaps 
not).

you have absolutely no right to complain about "others using your 
donated time".  zero, none.


 > usting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that I
"know" some of those guys.

My interest in Debian pEd Dixon wrote:
> Be sure to share Daniels story via social media using the buttons on his 
> blog. I hope it wakes up the entire community to what happens when you 
> actually do something right around here! https://t.co/NwWs9AfW87 Thanks,
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM Richard Newton <rich123409 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rich123409 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I agree, shame on those responsible. I have been using Debian for
>     almost 15 years and this is the first time I have been ashamed. Add
>     my name to the record "of conscientious objection."
> 
>     RIchard Newton
> 
>     On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Ralph Amissah
>     <ralph.amissah at gmail.com <mailto:ralph.amissah at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>         I post not in anger but sadness, I should not let my voice go
>         uncounted.
> 
>         Attached is my note to Daniel of earlier today, before his
>         posting of
>         "an abrupt end to Debian Live". Debian Live which he said Debian
>         should
>         have (as a Debian developer) in 2006 and went on to deliver, rather
>         nicely (with (and without) help).
> 
>         ----- Forwarded message from Ralph Amissah
>         <ralph.amissah at gmail.com <mailto:ralph.amissah at gmail.com>> -----
> 
>         From: Ralph Amissah <ralph.amissah at gmail.com
>         <mailto:ralph.amissah at gmail.com>>
>         To: Daniel Baumann
>         Subject: outrageous, thievery
>         Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:28:44 -0500
>         Message-ID: <20151109142844.GA28261 at niu>
>         User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30)
> 
>         Daniel, (already one of the more active Debian Developers then) I
>         remember you telling Debian at Debconf 2006, Mexico about how
>         "we"[1]
>         needed a live-maker within the project. I said then that I
>         thought this
>         one of the most important projects within Debian (I was
>         surprised that
>         there was not more interest and effort offered by others at the
>         time,
>         though there was some, those so keen now did not seem to pay
>         attention
>         then).  Already then it was clear that it would one day be able
>         to and
>         possibly be the preferred way to do a Debian install... as I said,
>         important. I saw how you contributed to Debian then, and I know
>         how you
>         have contributed since. Instead of welcoming you and your work,
>         there
>         seems to have been an effort to isolate you.
> 
>         Well clearly others have seen the fruits of your labor as a
>         threat and
>         with envy, and ripe for their plucking!
> 
>         Outrageous! Disgusting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that I
>         "know" some of those guys.
> 
>         My interest in Debian proper, dropped with your earlier
>         treatment, it
>         took away the desire to be a closer part of it. At least that
>         took out
>         much of any idealized notion of the inner workings of it. And
>         there have
>         been other moves since. I continue to be amazed by the politics of
>         groups within Debian.  This though has the feel of blatant thievery.
>         Chals characterization of a dictatorial coup would seem to be most
>         accurate.
> 
>         It has no doubt to do with power (perhaps indirectly money is
>         involved
>         as well), your work & work area being seen as strategically
>         important.
>         They do it because they can, & justify it whatever which way
>         they will.
> 
>         I am sorry. I feel pretty bruised on your behalf.
> 
>         We have not spoken in a long while. I hope we have the chance to
>         talk in
>         happier times.
> 
>         Greetings.
>         Ralph
> 
>         P.S. We are ok, not much to report.
> 
>         ----- End forwarded message -----
>         [edits: addition of footnote, &; s/picking/plucking/]
> 
>         Indeed I am a friend of Daniel and primarily a user of Debian (a
>         minor
>         contributor of a package (sisu[2]) that I wrote that I am happy
>         to have in
>         Debian). In other circumstances I would consider myself at least an
>         admirer of individuals involved on the other side of this.
>         Indeed I (use
>         use some of your software daily and) have met a number of you
>         over the
>         years at a number of Debconfs and have fond memories for example of
>         visits to Cambridge when I lived in the U.K. and of being
>         "introduced"
>         to Debian by Debian insiders.
> 
>         Thanks to all who have stood up for Daniel, he is a wonderful,
>         generous,
>         (and capable) person. And yes, I do think him "wronged" by "Debian".
>         There are others that know him pretty well, who have followed a
>         fairly
>         long sequence of events who must be outraged as well.
> 
>         Of course I wish Debian well, but I do not see your "handling"
>         of Daniel
>         as its finest hour. This will no doubt "blow over" as it must
>         ultimately
>         for the good of the project, but it sticks in my craw as it no doubt
>         does others, and there should be some record of conscientious
>         objection.
> 
>         Ralph Amissah
> 
>         [1] to be clear, "we" was Debian.
>         [2] http://www.sisudoc.org/
>             https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=sisu@lists.sisudoc.org
> 
> 
> 
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