[Vmdebootstrap-devel] [ralph.amissah at gmail.com: outrageous, thievery]
Ed Dixon
eddixonnm at gmail.com
Fri Nov 13 16:25:15 UTC 2015
John is your reply to mine suggesting that Daniels message should be
shared? If so you have read much more into it than what I said. I think I
must be misunderstanding your point and reading it wrong. I think it may be
in reply to his message or even this whole mess but even so I still
strongly disagree with what you wrote. Can you clarify your point here for
us more?
Thanks,
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:46 AM John D. Hendrickson <johnandsara2 at cox.net>
wrote:
> absolutely rediculous. it's a GPL free source open system
>
> your supposed to use it in your SPARE time not your business time.
>
> you are NOT supposed to using it for private development without
> funding. perhaps if a proffesor, paid for such things, and have chosen
> to do so (ie, GRUB is a good example of that, or "gv" ghost view (orig
> and improved) as well). otherwise it is strictly about hobby time.
>
> (if used for business your totally assume risk, and the world is full of
> books and information to tell you that)
>
> you could accuse "someone" of intently wasting others time by reverse
> engineered uploads to cause intentional time/investment losses (ie,
> inserting build failures to give others headaches): that's illegal since
> the days of Rome. and it's not easy to prove (perhaps intently, perhaps
> not).
>
> you have absolutely no right to complain about "others using your
> donated time". zero, none.
>
>
> > usting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that I
> "know" some of those guys.
>
> My interest in Debian pEd Dixon wrote:
> > Be sure to share Daniels story via social media using the buttons on his
> > blog. I hope it wakes up the entire community to what happens when you
> > actually do something right around here! https://t.co/NwWs9AfW87 Thanks,
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM Richard Newton <rich123409 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:rich123409 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I agree, shame on those responsible. I have been using Debian for
> > almost 15 years and this is the first time I have been ashamed. Add
> > my name to the record "of conscientious objection."
> >
> > RIchard Newton
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Ralph Amissah
> > <ralph.amissah at gmail.com <mailto:ralph.amissah at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I post not in anger but sadness, I should not let my voice go
> > uncounted.
> >
> > Attached is my note to Daniel of earlier today, before his
> > posting of
> > "an abrupt end to Debian Live". Debian Live which he said Debian
> > should
> > have (as a Debian developer) in 2006 and went on to deliver,
> rather
> > nicely (with (and without) help).
> >
> > ----- Forwarded message from Ralph Amissah
> > <ralph.amissah at gmail.com <mailto:ralph.amissah at gmail.com>> -----
> >
> > From: Ralph Amissah <ralph.amissah at gmail.com
> > <mailto:ralph.amissah at gmail.com>>
> > To: Daniel Baumann
> > Subject: outrageous, thievery
> > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 09:28:44 -0500
> > Message-ID: <20151109142844.GA28261 at niu>
> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30)
> >
> > Daniel, (already one of the more active Debian Developers then) I
> > remember you telling Debian at Debconf 2006, Mexico about how
> > "we"[1]
> > needed a live-maker within the project. I said then that I
> > thought this
> > one of the most important projects within Debian (I was
> > surprised that
> > there was not more interest and effort offered by others at the
> > time,
> > though there was some, those so keen now did not seem to pay
> > attention
> > then). Already then it was clear that it would one day be able
> > to and
> > possibly be the preferred way to do a Debian install... as I
> said,
> > important. I saw how you contributed to Debian then, and I know
> > how you
> > have contributed since. Instead of welcoming you and your work,
> > there
> > seems to have been an effort to isolate you.
> >
> > Well clearly others have seen the fruits of your labor as a
> > threat and
> > with envy, and ripe for their plucking!
> >
> > Outrageous! Disgusting. It is nasty. A bit strange to think that
> I
> > "know" some of those guys.
> >
> > My interest in Debian proper, dropped with your earlier
> > treatment, it
> > took away the desire to be a closer part of it. At least that
> > took out
> > much of any idealized notion of the inner workings of it. And
> > there have
> > been other moves since. I continue to be amazed by the politics
> of
> > groups within Debian. This though has the feel of blatant
> thievery.
> > Chals characterization of a dictatorial coup would seem to be
> most
> > accurate.
> >
> > It has no doubt to do with power (perhaps indirectly money is
> > involved
> > as well), your work & work area being seen as strategically
> > important.
> > They do it because they can, & justify it whatever which way
> > they will.
> >
> > I am sorry. I feel pretty bruised on your behalf.
> >
> > We have not spoken in a long while. I hope we have the chance to
> > talk in
> > happier times.
> >
> > Greetings.
> > Ralph
> >
> > P.S. We are ok, not much to report.
> >
> > ----- End forwarded message -----
> > [edits: addition of footnote, &; s/picking/plucking/]
> >
> > Indeed I am a friend of Daniel and primarily a user of Debian (a
> > minor
> > contributor of a package (sisu[2]) that I wrote that I am happy
> > to have in
> > Debian). In other circumstances I would consider myself at least
> an
> > admirer of individuals involved on the other side of this.
> > Indeed I (use
> > use some of your software daily and) have met a number of you
> > over the
> > years at a number of Debconfs and have fond memories for example
> of
> > visits to Cambridge when I lived in the U.K. and of being
> > "introduced"
> > to Debian by Debian insiders.
> >
> > Thanks to all who have stood up for Daniel, he is a wonderful,
> > generous,
> > (and capable) person. And yes, I do think him "wronged" by
> "Debian".
> > There are others that know him pretty well, who have followed a
> > fairly
> > long sequence of events who must be outraged as well.
> >
> > Of course I wish Debian well, but I do not see your "handling"
> > of Daniel
> > as its finest hour. This will no doubt "blow over" as it must
> > ultimately
> > for the good of the project, but it sticks in my craw as it no
> doubt
> > does others, and there should be some record of conscientious
> > objection.
> >
> > Ralph Amissah
> >
> > [1] to be clear, "we" was Debian.
> > [2] http://www.sisudoc.org/
> >
> https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=sisu@lists.sisudoc.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
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