Fwd: Re: Wayland in Debian / About Window Buttons and Menu Bars

[Ric Moore]

On 04/16/2014 09:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 01:37 +0200, Linux-Fan wrote:
>> Just got a message that the list server did not like the URL in my
>> signature. I have amended the message to hopefully reach the list properly.
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Wayland in Debian / About Window Buttons and Menu Bars
>> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 01:29:04 +0200
>> From: Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma at web.de>
>> Organization: Ma_Sys.ma
>> To: d-community-offtopic at lists.alioth.debian.org
>>
>> On 04/16/2014 06:16 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> And a serious question, perhaps OT, but we never know.
>> The question directly asks for opinion and is not really Debian-related
>> -- it could be asked on another Linux mailing list or even about Windows
>> applications. Still I also consider it an interesting question.
>>
>>> Do you like the trend to drop window title bars, resp. to drop window
>>> buttons and to drop menu bars?
>> These are three different questions.
>>
>> 1. IMO window title bars are useful to provide information like the
>>     page title or opened file or the terminal name or such and are
>>     therefore useful as long as they are not provided by a different
>>     means (for example browser tabs or VIM status line or some people's
>>     shell prompts)
>> 2. The usefulness of window buttons depends on the window manager.
>>     Currently, I use Spectrwm which offers no window buttons. Instead, I
>>     close windows with [WIN]-[X], maximize windows with
>>     [WIN]-[SHIFT]-[3], [WIN]-[3] (move window to workspace 3 and open
>>     workspace 3) or [WIN]-[SPACE] (cycle layout) and minimize windows
>>     using [WIN]-[W]. As you can see, graphical buttons are not required.
>> 3. Concerning the menu bars. Although I try to avoid complex graphical
>>     applications more and more, I still use some, for example Iceweasel,
>>     Icedove, Libreoffice and JEdit. Menus make the large set of these
>>     programs' features available which is why I consider them useful.
>>     Differently worded: Dropping menu bars from complex and graphical
>>     applications is *bad* IMHO.
>>
>>> www.another-bloated-desktop-conspiracy-question-mark.neverneverland
>> :) From my point of view an OT list is OK for such questions.
> :)
>
> Btw. I don't think it's a conspiracy, but a step into the wrong
> direction. Assumed we use displays and not braille, then for some needs
> we want to have at least menu and tool bars, e.g. for pro-audio usage.
>
> Wayland seems to be a step to drop WMs for the DEs and to open the doors
> to break work-flows for special needs. The majority seems to like what
> current gedit, gnome calculator etc. from upstream do (not) provide. No
> title, no menu and no tool bars. I dislike this step into the wrong
> direction.
>

I thought Wayland/Weston would leave those parts to the desktop and stay 
out of mission critical stuff?? Am I drinking the Kool Aid here ?
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