Minutes of GNU/kFreeBSD IRC meeting 20050605

[Aurelien Jarno]

Hi all,

This afternoon we made an unplanned IRC meeting concerning the 
GNU/kFreeBSD. Sorry for all of those who weren't there. In the future, 
it has been decided to do regular IRC meetings (see point 12 of the 
minutes) every other Sunday at 19:00 UTC on #gnu-kbsd (Freenode 
network). The next one will be held on June 19, 2005.

You will fine below the minutes of the meeting.

Bye,
Aurelien




                   GNU/kFreeBSD IRC meeting, June 5, 2005
                   ======================================

Minutes
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People mentioned:
   aurel32:      Aurelien Jarno
   braindmg:     Guillem Jover
   nyu:          Robert Millan
   sanvila:      Santiago Vila


1) The GNU/kFreeBSD LiveCD has been moved from the SVN repository to the
    FTP space on alioth.debian.org as suggested by braindmg.

2) gnuab (the machine hosting the kfreebsd archive) has been giving a
    lot of problems in the past months. braindmg tell us they have been
    partly solved but there is still some problem such as power outage.
    It would be nice, but not urgent to have a new machine/hosting
    place. We could also live with it and try to get soon in the official
    archive.

3) We have to adopt all kbsd related packages that nyu maintains.
    braindmg proposed to put them as team maintained. nyu is fine with
    that.

4) type-handling looks like a bit insane. Scott James Remnant is
    implementing sane kernel and cpu split from dpkg. So we decided to
    continue to maintain type-handling as a deprecated technology until
    the new dpkg comes.

5) libpthread2 is causing a lot of packages to fail working because they
    have objects that depend on libpthread2.so, but they don't depend on
    libpthread2.
    nyu explains this package comes from libpth. Initialy, he enabled
    posix emulation in it to work as the standard pthreads for kfreebsd.
    But it turned out that libpth is not usable for providing pthreads,
    so we switched back to linuxthreads.
    We need to rebuild all packages that depends on libpthread2, as well
    as all package that have objects that depends on libpthread2.so

6) Colin Watson has started working on porting d-i to the Hurd. We need
    to contact him so we can benefit from the changes to de-linuxize d-i.

7) nyu mentioned that kfreebsd5-headers is built from kfreebsd5-source,
    so when the kernel is updated, there's a chance that glibc breaks.

8) The post-sarge releases will use gcc-4.0 and glibc-2.3.5. So we need
    to start to port them to be ready for the change.

9) nyu explained why there is no java in the current gcc-3.3. It is
    because the boehm-gc was not ported to gcc-3.3. The gcc-3.2 boehm-gc
    had important issues: it didn't fix gc to split glibc checks out of
    "linux" checks and kfreebsd checks out of freebsd checks instead it
    created a GLIBC_FREEBSD macro or something and used it altogether.
    So it is better to backport the boehm-gc from gcc-3.4 to gcc-3.3.

10) aurel32 noticed his machine is not enough powerfull to follow the
     sid development. braindmg explained that sanvila will set up a
     buildd.

11) We need to do something to increase the visibility of the port.
     braindmg suggest to send periodic reports on debian-devel or dwn.

12) It has been decicided to do regular IRC meetings every other Sunday
     at 19:00 UTC. We can change that later if it's not convenient.



Action points
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* braindmg:             talk with Colin Watson about d-i
* aurel32:              rebuild all packages that are still using 

                         lipthread2
* braindmg:             work on util-linux
* aurel32:              get the out-of-date packages down to 220 by
                         20050611
* aurel32:              update gcc to 3.3.6 and add java support
* aurel32 & braindmg:   adopt packages from nyu
* braindmg:             send a status of the port to debian-devel


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