Re: "Ta page est nulle parce qu'elle est pas compatible avec mon browser programmé en 1870"

Wed Dec 2 20:54:32 UTC 2009

About the Poll, the question should be "How did you learn about Lisaac?" or "How did you find Lisaac?"

I think the website looks great and that it's a major upgrade from the previous website. The previous website was very distracting and left a poor image of Lisaac.

About requiring JavaScript... JavaScript is nice but many people do not use it, not just Mildred. I am unsure why but being in web development, it is certainly true. When JavaScript is used, it's best to provide a fall back so that a non-Javascript browser can still navigate. I know this is difficult and impedes progress, so I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about it.

There are numerous other English errors on the website. For instance, "begin to discover his world of stunning abilities"... Was that suppose to be "this world" or "our world" ? ... "Do not waste a second" is OK, but it would be better written as "Do not waste another second".

Jeremy

From: Farzad Sehat 
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:42 PM
To: Discussion about technical development topics 
Subject: Re: "Ta page est nulle parce qu'elle est pas compatible avec mon browser programmé en 1870"

I am agree and I'm agree and I'm agree with you Pierre-Alexandre

M. Farzad Sehat
farzad.sehat at gmail.com

Le 2 décembre 2009 21:27, Pierre-Alexandre Voye <ontologiae at gmail.com> a écrit :

  I'm agree with Farzad : this site is not disturbing according to 2009's web standard.
  Javascript is now and more and more a natural part of a webpage, I don't undertand why some dinosaurs want to continue to avoid it, or others thing like prefering lynx to a normal browser.

  I'm agree on 
  -  We don't need logo scrolling

  about your position, I propose you to read that : http://www.tsgk.net/cowboyz/ddr.html
  And particularly the section "LES LINUXIENS"

  2009/12/2 Mildred Ki'Lya <ml.mildred593 at gmail.com>

    Hi,

    (WARNING: don't be put off by these remarks. I'm not saying the website
    is bad, just that it could be improved)

    I did not took part in the conversation about the wallpaper but I think
    there is a point here, that I feel from some time about the Lisaac
    website. To put it simply, I think there is too much Javascript in that
    website, and it is too much animated.

    First, I think Javascript should NOT be required for the Lisaac website.
    Why ?

    Because some people (like me) don't allow JavaScript globally and only
    allow websites from a whitelist. The main advantage of doing so is that
    you get away from most of the advertisement and nasty things found on
    modern webpages.

    I don't say not to use Javascript, just not make it mandatory for the
    website.

    Now, if I do enable Javascript, I find the front page too much animated.
    All those effects are nice but get in the way of the user in the end.
    And it also from my point of view it gives a childish appearance to the
    website. It makes me remember of all those website that included too
    much JavaScript (back when JavaScript was a novelty).

    What I think should be removed:

    - The logos scrolling. You really don't care about them most of the time
    and it draw your eyes to this area.

    - The animation on the menus is pretty disturbing to me. i much more
    prefer to have the menu popping open. And with the animation, it makes
    me wonder if my computer is slow when I focus on "Downloads" since it
    doesn't have a menu. Again, it draw your eyes to the expanding corner of
    the menu where there is nothing interesting instead of the content of
    the menu. So, for a millisecond, you are busy trying to focus on a
    moving menu.

    - About the fading news on the front page. This is not as much of a
    problem as the two points I mentioned above. But without Javascript,
    it's like mess. I think it would be much better to create a bullet point
    list allowing the user to see what happened. Fading news are nice but
    you don't know which is first, which is last. And you end up not reading
    them at all. Also, when yyou click on an arrow to show the next/previous
    news, you have to wait for the news to appear, and the impatient visitor
    won't wait for that long. And, is that normal the news always end with
    "..."?

    - In comunity -> Team, I don't think we should have a fancy view at all.
    Especially if it plays sound (that's annoying) and especially if it's
    the only way to access more detailled information about team members
    (photo, CV, ...). Again, this doesn't help with the professional image
    of the website.

    Now, other things:

    - The poll, is that really useful? I don't say it's not, but...
    - Why cares how many people are visiting the website? This is not a
    comunity website (like a forum) where we might want to out friends online.
    - If you ask me, the second wallpaper shouldn't be on the official
    website. I understand why guys might like it, but please, not here. Your
    personal website is fine for that.
    - Documentation -> Library. There should be a note to tell people
    they're not going to stay on the website. They don't except to be thrown
    directly in the library browser.
    - The top of the webpage says "The power of simplicity at work for you".
    The reflection is a bit too much I think and doesn't help reading the
    text. Perhaps it could be softened.

    Now, i do realize this email might sound like a lot of critics, and
    please excuse me for that. This website is a wonderful initiative (even
    if I do prefer on a personal level static webpages generated
    automatically). I don't say it's not good. I just say it can be
    improved, and hopefully my remarks are constructive.

    If I should ask for a feature in that website, I would ask for the
    ability to add pages using a markdown syntax (or similar, I don't really
    care). Preferably, without having to use a web interface (I just hate
    web interface). I do prefer plain old protocols like ssh or rsync.

    Mildred

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