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Matthew Rosewarne
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+ <div class="title">
+ <h1>KDE in Lenny</h1>
+ <h5>The Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers</h5>
+ </div>
+ <div class="section">
+ <h2>Upstream Status</h2>
+
+ <h3>KDE 3.5</h3>
+ <table>
+ <tr>
+ <td>3.5.5</td>
+ <td class="date">October 2<sup>nd</sup>, 2006</td>
+ <td class="note">etch</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td>3.5.8</td>
+ <td class="date">October 8<sup>th</sup>, 2007</td>
+ <td class="note">current</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td>3.5.9</td>
+ <td class="date">February 14<sup>th</sup>, 2008</td>
+ </tr>
+ </table>
+ <p>Since development transitioned to KDE 4 in late 2005, work on KDE 3 has been limited to maintenance and minor feature updates. KDE 3.5.9 is the final release of KDE 3, and is not substantially different from KDE 3.5.5 included in etch.</p>
+
+ <h3>KDE 4.0</h3>
+ <table>
+ <tr>
+ <td>4.0.0</td>
+ <td class="date">January 8<sup>th</sup>, 2008</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td>4.0.1</td>
+ <td class="date">February 4<sup>th</sup>, 2008</td>
+ <td class="note">current</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td>4.0.2</td>
+ <td class="date">February 28<sup>th</sup>, 2008</td>
+ </tr>
+ </table>
+ <p>KDE 4.0 does not provide a fully-usable desktop, and was never considered a suitable to replace KDE 3.5. KDE 4.0.0 had stability issues which were mostly corrected in later maintenance releases. The KDE PIM applications were not ready in time for 4.0, so they were not included in the release.</p>
+
+ <h3>KDE 4.1</h3>
+ <table>
+ <tr>
+ <td>4.1.0</td>
+ <td class="date">July 22<sup>nd</sup>, 2008</td>
+ <td class="note">planned</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td>4.1.1</td>
+ <td class="date">August, 2008</td>
+ <td class="note">?</td>
+ </tr>
+ </table>
+ <p>KDE 4.1 is the first release of KDE 4 intended to be a complete desktop ready for widespread use. With the release of KDE 4.0, application developers made final releases of their KDE 3 applications and switched focus to KDE 4, so most KDE applications should be available for 4.1.</p>
+ </div>
+ <div class="section">
+ <h2>The previous plan</h2>
+ <blockquote>
+ <pre>
+Hi folks,
+
+In December of 2007, members of the Qt/KDE team gathered in Cáceres, Spain for
+a meeting sponsored by the Government of Extremadura.
+
+In the following weeks, we have been working towards the goals set at that
+meeting, some of which have since been slightly altered.
+
+
+ Plans for KDE 3
+==================
+
+We will release Lenny with KDE 3.
+
+The current KDE version in unstable is 3.5.8, which will shortly migrate to
+testing. 3.5.9 does not yet have a release date, but it will be decided soon.
+Therefore, Lenny will most likely be released with a version of 3.5.9 that
+includes patches for the most important fixes from the upstream KDE 4 branch.
+Additionally, the kdepim-enterprise branch is being merged with the current
+kdepim, which will bring some features and bugfixes, most importantly to KMail.
+Otherwise, the only major changes to our current KDE 3 packaging are some
+re-working of the meta-packages and the removal of meta-kde-extras.
+More info about this can be found on our webpage. [0][1]
+
+Furthermore, I would like highlight that in the last year, we have attempted
+to reduce the number of bugs filed against KDE packages (see graph [2]), but
+it is difficult to keep the bug count low. Since some bugs fixed in KDE 4
+remain in KDE 3, we will be closing them as fixed in the KDE 4.0.0 using BTS's
+version tracking, and hopefully we will manage to backport some of these fixes
+(the most important ones) to KDE 3.5.X.
+
+However, we will close bugs filed against applications declared dead by
+upstream, such as aRts.
+
+
+
+ Plans for KDE 4
+=================
+
+
+We will be shipping KDE 4.0 development platform with Lenny.
+
+As you may know, KDE 4.0.0 is being released on the 11th of January
+(tomorrow!).
+We have been working very hard to get some nice KDE packages into Debian, and
+you can presently find KDE 4.0.0 packages in experimental.
+
+Instructions of how to install KDE 4 from experimental are at our website. [0]
+
+The primary reason against shipping KDE 4.0 with Lenny is that this release
+lacks many applications that would make KDE 4 a complete desktop, such as
+KMail, and still requires a lot of overall polishing, making it unsuitable for
+most users. KDE 4.1 is expected to fix most of these shortcomings, but the
+release date has not yet been finalised.
+The KDE developers are currently discussing the release schedules for KDE 4.0.x
+and KDE 4.1. It appears that they are planning to do monthly updates for
+KDE 4.0, and that KDE 4.1 will not be released before late July, making it
+impossible to include within the current Debian release schedule.
+
+For Lenny, we will instead be shipping the "KDE 4 development platform",
+consisting of kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-runtime, and possibly kdebindings.
+We are planning to upload the 4.0.0 release to experimental, and probably next
+week, barring any problems, push these 3 packages into unstable.
+These packages are co-installable with the current KDE 3 version, allowing
+users to run KDE 4 apps, such as the new Okular document viewer, in a KDE 3
+desktop.
+
+There are still some issues that need to be resolved, such as migration of
+configuration files, since we have patched KDE 4 to store its settings in
+~/.kde4 instead of ~/.kde .
+
+KDE 4 will be easily installable using the upcoming meta-packages.
+See our website for more information. [0][3]
+
+
+
+Finally, we are publishing all the relevant information on our website [0]
+with the dual goals of keeping our users informed, and providing an easy path
+for new contributors to join the team. But some information is still work in
+progress :)
+
+Ana,
+on behalf of the Qt/KDE team.
+
+P.S.: Anyway, you never know what the future will bring, we will review our
+decisitions with respect shipping KDE 4 in Lenny in a few months.
+
+[0] http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/
+[1] http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/metapackages-kde3.html
+[2] http://users.alioth.debian.org/~pusling-guest/pkg-kde-buggraphs/_ALL_-year.png
+[3] http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/metapackages-kde4.html
+ </pre>
+ <p class="attribution">Ana Guerrero, 2008-01-10</p>
+ </blockquote>
+
+ <h3>Problems with this plan</h3>
+
+ <h4>Maintainability of KDE 3 packages</h4>
+ <p>Since KDE 3.5.9 will be the final release of KDE 3, any improvement or maintenance would have to be done by the Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers. This work would place an unnecessary burden on the packagers and effectively create a Debian-only fork.</p>
+ <p>The surprise of a new version of flashplugin-nonfree that was incompatible with Konqueror caused many users a great deal of frustration. Since the KDE developers consider KDE 3 to be effectively dead code, another such event during lenny's release life would be very difficult to resolve.</p>
+ <p>During the development of KDE 4.0, numerous applications have either been removed, replaced, or rewritten. It is therefore impossible to resolve bugs filed against these KDE 3 packages, so they will have to be tagged "wontfix" and ignored.</p>
+
+ <h4><q>Make Debian sexy again</q></h4>
+ <p>The platform of the current DPL puts a strong emphasis on making Debian more appealing and persuing fresher software. From a user's perspective, releasing with KDE 3 would give the lenny the immediate impression of being stale and obsolete on arrival. Contemporary releases from other distributions will undoubtedly use KDE 4.1, so that impression would be deserved. While it's unlikely that the lack of a modern KDE release would drive away existing users, it would certainly cause many potential new users to overlook Debian when choosing a distribution for the desktop.</p>
+
+ <h4>KDE 4.0 development platform is not useful</h4>
+ <p>The Plasma ABI will not be stabilized until KDE 4.1, so it makes very little sense to include Plasma-related parts of the KDE 4.0 development platform. Significant API additions, such as WebKit, Akonadi, and Decibel, will also be introduced in KDE 4.1.</p>
+ <p>Besides KDE developers (who use the KDE VCS), anyone building KDE 4 software will likely be targeting a platform that uses a KDE 4 desktop. If Lenny is not actually running a KDE 4 desktop, the utility of the development platform is very limited.</p>
+ </div>
+ <div class="section">
+ <h2>The new plan</h2>
+ <blockquote>
+ <pre>
+ There may be a possibility to include KDE4 in lenny. The efforts on
+ KDE4.1 have been quite promising and seem to be leading to a desktop
+ environment which can fully replace KDE3. The KDE team will provide
+ betas and release candidates of the 4.1 release in experimental. Anyone
+ interested is encourage to try them out and file any bugs found.
+
+ In the event that KDE4.1 is on time, and there are no major issues, an
+ upload to unstable in order to include it in lenny is possible. The
+ actual decision has been deferred for now.
+ </pre>
+ <p class="attribution">Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt, 2008-03-02</p>
+ </blockquote>
+
+ <h3>Benefits from this plan</h3>
+
+ <h4>Happy packagers</h4>
+ <p>Doing KDE4 packaging anyway, time not wasted backporting</p>
+ <p>Security and bug fixes easily backportable</p>
+ <p>Lots of bugs closed</p>
+
+ <h4>Happy hackers</h4>
+ <p>kubuntu became choice of many KDE developers partly due to recent software</p>
+ <p>more interest in Debian from upstream</p>
+ <p>maybe more upstream devs running Debian</p>
+ <p>overall better cooperation between Debian and KDE</p>
+
+ <h4>Happy users</h4>
+ <p>Fun new software, yay</p>
+ <p>existing users enjoy improved features and fixed bugs</p>
+ <p>potential users are more interested in trying Debian</p>
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